From lojban+bncCMHEmaCOBhD0o5fyBBoEqEIWWw@googlegroups.com Fri Aug 12 18:23:14 2011 Received: from mail-gx0-f189.google.com ([209.85.161.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Qs2wQ-0005St-It; Fri, 12 Aug 2011 18:23:13 -0700 Received: by gxk3 with SMTP id 3sf2037522gxk.16 for ; Fri, 12 Aug 2011 18:23:04 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=lnv49bd9WtWsh6GWfzoZ8FRU8Et3u3fXc3l4eXOJ7Ow=; b=c5Yv3WH7Bu4jk5Y5NrtZp7BZS1CJOShT0Ee5uLWHUpc9qRyCv+J2isBmJ+0sanxyZ5 3QfjbNM+qP0sUeed34IGD5TNhvTXZ3OGVFQx8D4KNSAAXuv6uiRCWMWfyG/o3U2LzaLG E4Ckz3Y4/2OQiLyqqVl3+/2qZMjrhWVrC0/p0= Received: by 10.236.185.100 with SMTP id t64mr579050yhm.12.1313198580224; Fri, 12 Aug 2011 18:23:00 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.231.173.68 with SMTP id o4ls2802345ibz.3.gmail; Fri, 12 Aug 2011 18:22:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.42.168.193 with SMTP id x1mr1967286icy.10.1313198579187; Fri, 12 Aug 2011 18:22:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.42.168.193 with SMTP id x1mr1967285icy.10.1313198579172; Fri, 12 Aug 2011 18:22:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-iy0-f169.google.com (mail-iy0-f169.google.com [209.85.210.169]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id z9si1081812ics.5.2011.08.12.18.22.59 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 12 Aug 2011 18:22:59 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.210.169 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.210.169; Received: by mail-iy0-f169.google.com with SMTP id 1so2679998iym.0 for ; Fri, 12 Aug 2011 18:22:59 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.57.10 with SMTP id a10mr386606ibh.70.1313198578961; Fri, 12 Aug 2011 18:22:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.176.68 with HTTP; Fri, 12 Aug 2011 18:22:58 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2011 19:22:58 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] no stressed syllables in a name From: Jonathan Jones To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: eyeonus@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.210.169 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=eyeonus@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0cd5f530d18d2c04aa58de7e --000e0cd5f530d18d2c04aa58de7e Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Fri, Aug 12, 2011 at 5:01 PM, Luke Bergen wrote: > No that's exactly how it's said. Burrrr like it's cold. > I was talking about the "gun" part. > Hmmmm I don't remember off-hand, how do I differentiate "bl" as in "blame" > from "bl" as in "table". There's a word or phrase for that kind of > consonant. > > In anycase "bergen" in english is pronounced (by my family at least) as > burrr (I'm cold) gen (kind of like gin in "begin" but maybe a bit shorter) > On Aug 12, 2011 5:49 PM, "Jonathan Jones" wrote: > > On Fri, Aug 12, 2011 at 8:17 AM, tijlan wrote: > > > >> On 12 August 2011 11:31, Jonathan Jones wrote: > >> > Sorry, but I find that I naturally pronounce "Bergen" as {bErgen}. > >> Granted, > >> > I don't put a /lot/ of stress on the first syllable, but it's > definitely > >> > there. > >> > I find myself incapable of pronouncing it with no stress at all, > >> > >> You never have to pronounce it without a stress in Lojban. Nor do you > >> have to assume that it must have a stress and {bErgen} is the only > >> natural way for everybody, if that's what you mean by "it's definitely > >> there". > >> > > > > I'm not talking about any rules or mandates. I'm talking about how my > > tongue, lips, and vocal chords work when I attempt to say "Bergen". > > > > > >> > although if I want to sound like a twat, I am able to put even /more/ > >> stress > >> > on gen than I do on ber. > >> > >> That would effectively be perceived as {ber,GEN}. > > > > > > Duh. > > > > > > > > -- > > mu'o mi'e .aionys. > > > > .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o > > (Come to the Dot Side! 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On Fri, Aug 12, 2011 at 5:01 PM, Luke Be= rgen <lukeabe= rgen@gmail.com> wrote:

No that's exactly how it's said.=A0 Burrrr like it's cold.= =A0


I was talking about the "gun" part.=
=A0

Hmmmm I don't remember off-hand, how do I differentiate "bl&quo= t; as in "blame" from "bl" as in "table".=A0 = There's a word or phrase for that kind of consonant.

In anycase "bergen" in english is pronounced (by my family at = least) as burrr (I'm cold) gen (kind of like gin in "begin" b= ut maybe a bit shorter)

On Aug 12, 201= 1 5:49 PM, "Jonathan Jones" <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 12, 2011 at 8:17 AM, tijlan <jbotijlan@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On 12 August 2011 11:31, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:<= br>>> > Sorry, but I find that I naturally pronounce "Bergen&= quot; as {bErgen}.
>> Granted,
>> > I don't put a /lot/ of stress on the= first syllable, but it's definitely
>> > there.
>>= ; > I find myself incapable of pronouncing it with no stress at all,
>>
>> You never have to pronounce it without a stress in Loj= ban. Nor do you
>> have to assume that it must have a stress and {= bErgen} is the only
>> natural way for everybody, if that's wh= at you mean by "it's definitely
>> there".
>>
>
> I'm not talking abou= t any rules or mandates. I'm talking about how my
> tongue, lips,= and vocal chords work when I attempt to say "Bergen".
> >
>> > although if I want to sound like a twat, I am able t= o put even /more/
>> stress
>> > on gen than I do on b= er.
>>
>> That would effectively be perceived as {ber,GEN= }.
>
>
> Duh.
>
> <snip>
>
> = --
> mu'o mi'e .aionys.
>
> .i.e'ucai ko cm= ima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o
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