From lojban+bncCIywt_XDCRDW-pnyBBoENSvYZQ@googlegroups.com Sat Aug 13 06:34:28 2011 Received: from mail-yx0-f189.google.com ([209.85.213.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1QsEM5-0003EH-12; Sat, 13 Aug 2011 06:34:28 -0700 Received: by yxk8 with SMTP id 8sf6037581yxk.16 for ; Sat, 13 Aug 2011 06:34:18 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:x-yahoo-newman-property:x-yahoo-newman-id :x-ymail-osg:x-mailer:references:message-id:date:from:subject:to :in-reply-to:mime-version:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=eZ2Fu5bTIhwGORVDw7Kwl3HFTHmz22eZDLM1PxOOGA4=; b=vmH2mv6aj2RRe5lIqarifi10ckH+QQcdtEJJbZ+gJcKyasDBe5C4C3flIulL0BBEvd 8PPkbjzR5/qjIm5bKzBRMBjZ3bzfxXtOLcqtcD2oPIlx8Wsc+RKHMSEgPiySiIku0Rl/ iLOwDOqf3EB/OMVRE6Syiotx+6aKz6FQhEqQ8= Received: by 10.236.190.162 with SMTP id e22mr734537yhn.23.1313242454440; Sat, 13 Aug 2011 06:34:14 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.100.246.22 with SMTP id t22ls2338673anh.6.gmail; Sat, 13 Aug 2011 06:34:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.236.180.165 with SMTP id j25mr5056550yhm.5.1313242453077; Sat, 13 Aug 2011 06:34:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.236.180.165 with SMTP id j25mr5056549yhm.5.1313242453067; Sat, 13 Aug 2011 06:34:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nm17.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com (nm17.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com [66.94.237.218]) by gmr-mx.google.com with SMTP id d41si3086399yhe.3.2011.08.13.06.34.11; Sat, 13 Aug 2011 06:34:12 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of kali9putra@yahoo.com designates 66.94.237.218 as permitted sender) client-ip=66.94.237.218; Received: from [66.94.237.126] by nm17.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Aug 2011 13:34:11 -0000 Received: from [66.94.237.103] by tm1.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Aug 2011 13:34:11 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1008.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Aug 2011 13:34:11 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 745179.41183.bm@omp1008.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 85954 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Aug 2011 13:34:11 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: JAKf3KYVM1m79sx56a.yrfxii8BNRmBEQWMYcK.XaM9Pn_9 2B.mV9EdHQqHJry_J0s55IttAalSrrqRYAHah2k1BAV1doo.oY7JT1czR5K0 5xzwftSC1tIvSQsgVuUCdChfwevUPeG_MPn0CryjzJCD06LaQpgfoNpCYr7Y K4CKat71TbNgZJzJFLMAscvSHtU0etgoGU3xxFgYZeZsQyz8GKprW_9G6YHS fh3BHKrTlxcyixmOYBGxjXxTxluQE6MF0uuYJgnlmZ86uRq2rkPC2p_hjCc1 6fgkLDiOpYtFG0NmeRBXaMxTBKQ1PM_Qoj5JBz5vAtq1xx96YXDh0M.36nny JYtNMvd44fmNv1_DTKTgPkV59oXWHF_go1B0Tm.LohZaYlRFC4_xBYgQkS5w A9N3Q8dQ2VGlgtFKfZdw09lJK2zmVsRLbluiTdcyJqAuJ_nev2jLQWLpPBDf ExY0PqEXCQRdqMXMsASnG6mv406_bKerV5bg7CIk6Pt9ULTD2G2iuHO2OFYL gg9rNjv8vxrKOck0D7cIO8fThfdZc4NQ- Received: from [99.92.108.41] by web81306.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 13 Aug 2011 06:34:11 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/574 YahooMailWebService/0.8.113.313619 References: <20110811101134.GF10697@gonzales> Message-ID: <1313242451.35936.YahooMailRC@web81306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 06:34:11 -0700 (PDT) From: John E Clifford Subject: Re: [lojban] xorlo and masses To: lojban@googlegroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Original-Sender: kali9putra@yahoo.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of kali9putra@yahoo.com designates 66.94.237.218 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=kali9putra@yahoo.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@yahoo.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Those all look fine to me (except for doubts about gunma). In the last one, the family involved is simply lo ci prenu. ----- Original Message ---- From: tijlan To: lojban@googlegroups.com Sent: Sat, August 13, 2011 3:44:59 AM Subject: Re: [lojban] xorlo and masses On 11 August 2011 11:11, Martin Bays wrote: > The first appears to indicate that masses are still first-class > entities, such that e.g. in {lo tadni cu sruri le dinju}, the referents > of {lo tadni} are masses of students, not individual students. In > particular, it is reasonable for that {lo tadni} to have just one > referent. Does sruri1 have to be gunma1? Would the following be nonsense? lo se gunma cu sruri lo dinju Group-components are surrounding a building. Furthermore: lo ci prenu cu se lanzu gi'e lanzu 3 people are (distributively) family members and (collectively) a family. lo ci prenu cu se lanzu da gi'e lanzu de 3 people are (distributively) members of family X and (collectively) a family of members Y. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.