From lojban+bncCNTPpI2KGxDI_5ryBBoEdNhIwg@googlegroups.com Sat Aug 13 11:17:57 2011 Received: from mail-vw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.212.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1QsImQ-00013C-Vo; Sat, 13 Aug 2011 11:17:57 -0700 Received: by vwe42 with SMTP id 42sf1490720vwe.16 for ; Sat, 13 Aug 2011 11:17:48 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:x-authority-analysis:x-cloudmark-score :x-originating-ip:from:to:subject:date:user-agent:references :in-reply-to:mime-version:message-id:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-disposition; bh=juxRzj16aOJ9aZIkyE0GuCbrFAj8BZcEKSZLFRxXaEk=; b=HRUG+MA9eL8J0N0iJh44JmpxOe3QmWPuwkFrvetVUvudb1MJENNtd3ROToGOjVVyrN NHWFRrVWzNEkV0gnn/5ww0Xu919O3OBE8EWvJ4FHUoxmeS+VYK51kmeyvli6Yt7birie DFqF1MmpW+9vsZ7E5wq4EJl/xHfq/dvftXMSA= Received: by 10.220.150.11 with SMTP id w11mr289935vcv.47.1313259464730; Sat, 13 Aug 2011 11:17:44 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.52.28.171 with SMTP id c11ls1363380vdh.1.gmail; Sat, 13 Aug 2011 11:17:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.73.231 with SMTP id o7mr824081vdv.7.1313259464220; Sat, 13 Aug 2011 11:17:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.73.231 with SMTP id o7mr824080vdv.7.1313259464213; Sat, 13 Aug 2011 11:17:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.122]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id h2si5602354vdv.0.2011.08.13.11.17.42; Sat, 13 Aug 2011 11:17:42 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 75.180.132.122 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@phma.optus.nu) client-ip=75.180.132.122; X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=SOlsIBN44tkg4MqIq+y2aLZdhoA3kHpmiRsLue6rfnM= c=1 sm=0 a=6ti_TD8eFm8A:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=Q9fys5e9bTEA:10 a=9o99xeNKNPYSmM5t9x5+TQ==:17 a=C6hNR-MIiRBUvZwziAYA:9 a=PUjeQqilurYA:10 a=9o99xeNKNPYSmM5t9x5+TQ==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 75.176.118.168 Received: from [75.176.118.168] ([75.176.118.168:57457] helo=chausie) by cdptpa-oedge01.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id EB/BB-15242-5CFB64E4; Sat, 13 Aug 2011 18:17:42 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chausie (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9DCCD1A2C5 for ; Sat, 13 Aug 2011 14:17:41 -0400 (EDT) From: Pierre Abbat To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] xorlo and masses Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 14:17:38 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.6 (enterprise 0.20070907.709405) References: <20110811101134.GF10697@gonzales> <20110813124739.GP10697@gonzales> In-Reply-To: <20110813124739.GP10697@gonzales> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <201108131417.39974.phma@phma.optus.nu> X-Original-Sender: phma@phma.optus.nu X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 75.180.132.122 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@phma.optus.nu) smtp.mail=phma@phma.optus.nu Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline On Saturday 13 August 2011 08:47:39 Martin Bays wrote: > My point then was that the following three assertions are inconsistent: > > (i) {ro lo broda cu broda} is a tautology > (ii) {ro loi broda cu broda} is a tautology > (iii) loi broda == lo gunma be lo broda (i.e. have the same referents) I say (ii) is not a tautology. For many broda it is true (mu'a ro loi blanu cu blanu), but for some it is false (mu'a ro loi grake be li pa cu grake li su'a). .i ro loi djacu cu djacu xu? .i ro loi bakni cu bakni xu? .i ro loi xrabo cu xrabo xu? .i ro loi klama cu klama xu? .i ro loi pavyseljirna cu pavyseljirna xu? .i ro loi nargile cu nargile xu? mu'omi'e .pier. -- gau do li'i co'e kei do -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.