From lojban+bncCJ2UzZHuDRDH-v_yBBoE1U4Uyw@googlegroups.com Thu Sep 01 14:46:57 2011 Received: from mail-vx0-f189.google.com ([209.85.220.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1QzF66-00044Z-LK; Thu, 01 Sep 2011 14:46:57 -0700 Received: by vxh7 with SMTP id 7sf1155577vxh.16 for ; Thu, 01 Sep 2011 14:46:48 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=IHVBO1IZjg9Y5oV58bj15pyeR7LP1PMH1uqT34Eg8iA=; b=lQcXdKQWnv1zZ97We0ixLQoSff6BkKrP5RXZXY0HJP1aS3r3r5f+EBUy78xuCtlJSK flTq3bVNPTUp9SYunlXIUJawPyMStwMShRwRbYg2XnOKoYa8Aervb9z7FxYJA60CifeD CFGu9zexUmA2Rb+kSdXFi8kavAQyb36vZwhJI= Received: by 10.220.108.20 with SMTP id d20mr95618vcp.10.1314913607120; Thu, 01 Sep 2011 14:46:47 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.52.24.163 with SMTP id v3ls969235vdf.3.gmail; Thu, 01 Sep 2011 14:46:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.24.9 with SMTP id q9mr166241vdf.26.1314913606086; Thu, 01 Sep 2011 14:46:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.24.9 with SMTP id q9mr166240vdf.26.1314913606077; Thu, 01 Sep 2011 14:46:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-vw0-f50.google.com (mail-vw0-f50.google.com [209.85.212.50]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id bh5si196941vdc.3.2011.09.01.14.46.46 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 01 Sep 2011 14:46:46 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 209.85.212.50 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.212.50; Received: by mail-vw0-f50.google.com with SMTP id 14so1909166vws.9 for ; Thu, 01 Sep 2011 14:46:46 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.52.23.138 with SMTP id m10mr368699vdf.184.1314913606000; Thu, 01 Sep 2011 14:46:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.163.133 with HTTP; Thu, 1 Sep 2011 14:46:45 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2011 18:46:45 -0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: assignment affected by context From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: jjllambias@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 209.85.212.50 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=jjllambias@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 12:16 AM, Ian Johnson wrote: > .oi lo'ai pi ro sa'ai pi mu le'ai > > .u'u mu'o mi'e .latros. > > On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 11:15 PM, Ian Johnson > wrote: >> >> Suppose I say {mi pinxe loi djacu goi ko'a}. Suppose the precise statement >> is {mi pinxe pi ro loi djacu goi ko'a} (but I don't say this). To what does >> {ko'a} get assigned, the entire mass, or just the portion of the mass that I >> drank? Suppose you say instead "mi na pinxe pimu lo djacu goi ko'a". Assuming fractional quantifiers behave like ordinary quantifiers, that means you drank some amount (if any) other than 50% (say you drank 20%). Then there is no such thing as "the 50% that I didn't drink", so ko'a can only have the same referent as "lo djacu". A quantifier expression doesn't have a direct referent that it could transfer to "ko'a". mu'o mi'e xorxes -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.