From lojban+bncCIycn8S8DhDn24PzBBoEFVJWeQ@googlegroups.com Fri Sep 02 07:53:38 2011 Received: from mail-fx0-f61.google.com ([209.85.161.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1QzV7f-0000cW-Jd; Fri, 02 Sep 2011 07:53:38 -0700 Received: by fxd2 with SMTP id 2sf1185755fxd.16 for ; Fri, 02 Sep 2011 07:53:28 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=jVkRLvqQfvsCd5s2094RARiYy7qfpSTf/+TqEk1HwE4=; b=2GJ2pPS9pgR3xg7UBnOekZPRX7mmpUmkxN8QPwn77w+kMYoafgvMIhDdFboiPSPlfq AVgAImvXqAuJGUNTd20v54heBXUx1RSom26vZgUUUWJPYrshwP6pecjOsLcMqZqwuHTp bHuPWYK0LJ3PKmjPlHMMgRb/ELHE3bUehwgDs= Received: by 10.223.6.12 with SMTP id 12mr205243fax.49.1314975207190; Fri, 02 Sep 2011 07:53:27 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.204.2.69 with SMTP id 5ls1523508bki.1.gmail; Fri, 02 Sep 2011 07:53:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.130.136 with SMTP id t8mr228362bks.1.1314975205902; Fri, 02 Sep 2011 07:53:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.130.136 with SMTP id t8mr228361bks.1.1314975205874; Fri, 02 Sep 2011 07:53:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-bw0-f47.google.com (mail-bw0-f47.google.com [209.85.214.47]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id a16si465227bku.3.2011.09.02.07.53.25 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 02 Sep 2011 07:53:25 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.47 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.214.47; Received: by bkbzu17 with SMTP id zu17so4024333bkb.34 for ; Fri, 02 Sep 2011 07:53:25 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.133.16 with SMTP id d16mr606958bkt.95.1314975205679; Fri, 02 Sep 2011 07:53:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.205.82.194 with HTTP; Fri, 2 Sep 2011 07:53:25 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <86C4663C-6DF2-4EF9-8586-383C35928307@yahoo.com> References: <15200102.1989.1314122657841.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@yqcd38> <1314127962.75008.YahooMailRC@web81305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <1106511.2985.1314760125570.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@yqav15> <86C4663C-6DF2-4EF9-8586-383C35928307@yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2011 10:53:25 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] proportions From: Michael Turniansky To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: mturniansky@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.47 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=mturniansky@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0015174481ea05e39304abf68626 --0015174481ea05e39304abf68626 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Not I still use the short pe forms, and there is absolutely nothing with lo TENSE forms, either. Not sure where you are seeing these forms disappearing? --gejyspa On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 10:13 AM, John E. Clifford wrote: > Well, it was an assumption, brought on by everybody using the long forms > rather than the short -- and my recollection that things like 'va' and 'ca' > no longer seem to go in the slot after 'lo'. I'll be happy to find it is not > gone. > > Sent from my iPad > > On Aug 30, 2011, at 23:08, djandus wrote: > > Thanks all for the awesome help! > > However, something did raise a question: > >> Well, assuming 'lo mi cutci' is lost and gone forever (L3) >> > Umm... what did this side-statement mean? Are you referring to "lost" in > the scope of this discussion, or in the scope of some grammar change I've > missed? > > I'm teaching a Lojban class right now, and want to be absolutely certain I > haven't missed some discussion ridding Lojban of the {lo mi cutci} == {lo > cutci pe mi} rule. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msg/lojban/-/bEJQf-LNL6cJ. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. 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=A0 Not I still use the short pe forms, and there is = absolutely nothing with lo TENSE forms, either.=A0 Not sure where you are s= eeing these forms disappearing?
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 --gejyspa

On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 10:13 AM, John E. Cliffo= rd <kali9putra= @yahoo.com> wrote:
Well, it was an assumption, brought on by everybody using the long for= ms rather than the short -- and my recollection that things like 'va= 9; and 'ca' no longer seem to go in the slot after 'lo'. I&= #39;ll be happy to find it is not gone.

Sent from my iPad

On Aug 30, 2011, at 23:08, djandus <jandew@gmail.com> wrote:

Thanks all for the awesome help!=20

However, something did raise a question:
Well, assuming 'lo mi cutci' is lost and gone forever (L3= )
Umm... what did this side-statement mean? Are you referring to "l= ost" in the scope of this discussion, or in the scope of some grammar = change I've missed?

I'm teaching a Lojban class right now, and want to be absolutely c= ertain I haven't missed some discussion ridding Lojban of the {lo mi cu= tci} =3D=3D {lo cutci pe mi} rule.=A0

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