From lojban+bncCK7Yk5CUCxDjtK3zBBoEHAhJsA@googlegroups.com Sat Sep 10 05:39:09 2011 Received: from mail-yw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.213.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1R2Mpv-0008Qv-3k; Sat, 10 Sep 2011 05:39:09 -0700 Received: by ywm3 with SMTP id 3sf1395391ywm.16 for ; Sat, 10 Sep 2011 05:39:00 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=BmaQv7KtJu3fjmqlYkgPFIrN2ibiwwlYYa9p9T+V4vk=; b=BXrDU7MwlPCNTxvtmVbkW7/bKZm73yJCS5gS1aWX2Soc9eR/XoevzzeoXqNfYRTm92 elZNGgvw79tJkwWBzmMAmYanZBTLJVOw17GX3AxQdSbU8PhOtulQu4XBn8mDq2POf1aC E/k+sFirjoL+jTK3BIYsjKjXMUQ9C9NrMXr2w= Received: by 10.101.211.28 with SMTP id n28mr464005anq.24.1315658339257; Sat, 10 Sep 2011 05:38:59 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.100.233.7 with SMTP id f7ls12942317anh.7.gmail; Sat, 10 Sep 2011 05:38:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.101.95.9 with SMTP id x9mr2360607anl.39.1315658337847; Sat, 10 Sep 2011 05:38:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.101.95.9 with SMTP id x9mr2360606anl.39.1315658337832; Sat, 10 Sep 2011 05:38:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-gy0-f181.google.com (mail-gy0-f181.google.com [209.85.160.181]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id t26si4041869anp.3.2011.09.10.05.38.57 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sat, 10 Sep 2011 05:38:57 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of rdentato@gmail.com designates 209.85.160.181 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.160.181; Received: by gyd10 with SMTP id 10so3218583gyd.12 for ; Sat, 10 Sep 2011 05:38:57 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.43.134.72 with SMTP id ib8mr758323icc.94.1315658336847; Sat, 10 Sep 2011 05:38:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.42.180.6 with HTTP; Sat, 10 Sep 2011 05:38:56 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2011 14:38:56 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] fu'ivla From: Remo Dentato To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: rdentato@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of rdentato@gmail.com designates 209.85.160.181 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=rdentato@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, Sep 10, 2011 at 1:17 PM, Jonathan Jones wrote: > That rule is for cmavo and lujvo. I don't think it ever applied to fu'ivl= a. It's in CLL 4.7: http://dag.github.com/cll/4/7/: ------------------- All fu'ivla: 1. must contain a consonant cluster in the first five letters of the word; if this consonant cluster is at the beginning, it must either be a permissible initial consonant pair, or a longer cluster such that each pair of adjacent consonants in the cluster is a permissible initial consonant pair: =93spraile=94 is acceptable, but not =93ktraile=94 = or =93trkaile=94; ------------------- Having a consonant clusters within the first five letters of the word was said to be a distinctive characteristics of a brivla (gismu, lujvo or fu'ivla). I'm ok to relax this for fu'ivla if this is the current thinking. remod --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den.