From lojban+bncCMHEmaCOBhDq6rHzBBoEJoFUXg@googlegroups.com Sun Sep 11 01:46:45 2011 Received: from mail-fx0-f61.google.com ([209.85.161.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1R2fgZ-0000DC-2V; Sun, 11 Sep 2011 01:46:45 -0700 Received: by fxg17 with SMTP id 17sf1223647fxg.16 for ; Sun, 11 Sep 2011 01:46:36 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=8NXImDuxHfpfsrFiJLO63qiReMYtPt0ls8k89K/youc=; b=K324HL2esteSVQkYjpO0KPAvrBshx/mZ0qMoew9fpzBqCx5KNM/5H88KJCIKbJiN7X qEcmjzYho0ljQTPbredBxXW73EtSK3URp7kM30fpAhhexuanBzYkb6ePsaUCFfVKZ/X8 1SJGklZEORS3zTng+hEjrJ/ccIqpqbOm515CA= Received: by 10.223.5.16 with SMTP id 16mr130870fat.25.1315730794740; Sun, 11 Sep 2011 01:46:34 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.204.132.1 with SMTP id z1ls5108912bks.3.gmail; Sun, 11 Sep 2011 01:46:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.154.3 with SMTP id m3mr832219bkw.17.1315730793450; Sun, 11 Sep 2011 01:46:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.154.3 with SMTP id m3mr832218bkw.17.1315730793422; Sun, 11 Sep 2011 01:46:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-fx0-f50.google.com (mail-fx0-f50.google.com [209.85.161.50]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id a4si469880fad.3.2011.09.11.01.46.33 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 11 Sep 2011 01:46:33 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.161.50 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.161.50; Received: by mail-fx0-f50.google.com with SMTP id 10so1204688fxh.9 for ; Sun, 11 Sep 2011 01:46:33 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.62.8 with SMTP id v8mr2828403fah.43.1315730793239; Sun, 11 Sep 2011 01:46:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.152.41.68 with HTTP; Sun, 11 Sep 2011 01:46:33 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <4E6BD617.5070703@lojban.org> Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2011 02:46:33 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] fu'ivla From: Jonathan Jones To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: eyeonus@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.161.50 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=eyeonus@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0015173ffa188d15d204aca6720b --0015173ffa188d15d204aca6720b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Sun, Sep 11, 2011 at 2:43 AM, Jonathan Jones wrote: > > I would use a cmene in that scenario. Also, I should probably mention that > I endorse .xorxes.'(?) proposal to treat cmene as normal brivla (i.e. allow > them to be used as selbri.) I personally believe that that simple addition > to their functionality would be more than enough to cause fu'ivla to be > completely deprecated. > Just to clarify, I believe the proposal was to allow cmene to have predications, the default being {ko'a me la.cmenes.}, although they can be given specific predications, like fu'ivla. -- mu'o mi'e .aionys. .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. --0015173ffa188d15d204aca6720b Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On Sun, Sep 11, 2011 at 2:43 AM, Jonathan Jones = <eyeonus@gmail.co= m> wrote:

I would use a cmene in that scenario. Also, I sh= ould probably mention that I endorse .xorxes.'(?) proposal to treat cme= ne as normal brivla (i.e. allow them to be used as selbri.) I personally be= lieve that that simple addition to their functionality would be more than e= nough to cause fu'ivla to be completely deprecated.

Just to clarify, I believe the prop= osal was to allow cmene to have predications, the default being {ko'a m= e la.cmenes.}, although they can be given specific predications, like fu= 9;ivla.

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