From lojban+bncCK7Yk5CUCxCo_7HzBBoEGatbSg@googlegroups.com Sun Sep 11 02:30:27 2011 Received: from mail-yi0-f61.google.com ([209.85.218.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1R2gMr-0001a8-08; Sun, 11 Sep 2011 02:30:27 -0700 Received: by yie36 with SMTP id 36sf3074886yie.16 for ; Sun, 11 Sep 2011 02:30:18 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=bBrdjbsy/yihyDBTmsr1bqvNc1y5VskZ40c4/lP93HM=; b=z331J/42WrbXW4ZslwVsc/XZ30KlnRrwHof7VN3VAn0hQrZ/YTc3G947sRL3+xPgI7 PCCXwwCQEHo4XuSHzBNVYsmBIArIJOsLnrjH4IErEmGBYqIUAUNU+plk3j3p3Clqigsa NuWZG8hk58+0g/VDPVal9Iqt2ishBhwRc6F9w= Received: by 10.150.114.14 with SMTP id m14mr596503ybc.55.1315733416995; Sun, 11 Sep 2011 02:30:16 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.101.189.18 with SMTP id r18ls14089859anp.1.gmail; Sun, 11 Sep 2011 02:30:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.101.213.17 with SMTP id p17mr3316661anq.17.1315733415465; Sun, 11 Sep 2011 02:30:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.101.213.17 with SMTP id p17mr3316660anq.17.1315733415447; Sun, 11 Sep 2011 02:30:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-yx0-f174.google.com (mail-yx0-f174.google.com [209.85.213.174]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id g7si6270449ane.1.2011.09.11.02.30.15 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 11 Sep 2011 02:30:15 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of rdentato@gmail.com designates 209.85.213.174 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.213.174; Received: by yxm8 with SMTP id 8so430746yxm.33 for ; Sun, 11 Sep 2011 02:30:15 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.42.147.8 with SMTP id l8mr1309724icv.496.1315733415219; Sun, 11 Sep 2011 02:30:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.42.180.6 with HTTP; Sun, 11 Sep 2011 02:30:15 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <4E6BD617.5070703@lojban.org> Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2011 11:30:15 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] fu'ivla From: Remo Dentato To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: rdentato@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of rdentato@gmail.com designates 209.85.213.174 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=rdentato@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Sun, Sep 11, 2011 at 10:46 AM, Jonathan Jones wrote: > On Sun, Sep 11, 2011 at 2:43 AM, Jonathan Jones wrote: >> >> I would use a cmene in that scenario. Also, I should probably mention that >> I endorse .xorxes.'(?) proposal to treat cmene as normal brivla (i.e. allow >> them to be used as selbri.) I personally believe that that simple addition >> to their functionality would be more than enough to cause fu'ivla to be >> completely deprecated. > > Just to clarify, I believe the proposal was to allow cmene to have > predications, the default being {ko'a me la.cmenes.}, although they can be > given specific predications, like fu'ivla. Yes, I think the proposal was to have {cmenes} meaning {me la cmenes} by default and I agree we would need much less fu'ivla, if any at all, if we could specify other sumti places. BTW, I also would also like cmevla to possibly end in {y.} whch I'm not sure can be accommodated in the morphology. I don't know if there's a formal process for proposing such things but I guess it would involve demonstrating that the change would not impact negatively the formal grammar (the PEG representation, at this point). Probably xorxes, alyn or robin could say if this is feasible. remod -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.