From lojban+bncCJ2UzZHuDRD-_LrzBBoEAfLiJg@googlegroups.com Mon Sep 12 19:23:06 2011 Received: from mail-fx0-f61.google.com ([209.85.161.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1R3IeO-0001zy-13; Mon, 12 Sep 2011 19:23:06 -0700 Received: by fxg17 with SMTP id 17sf51714fxg.16 for ; Mon, 12 Sep 2011 19:22:56 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=+R7Sylde5jwr7MODnFB3pgdT7fEX/8fozSvAv/ZbLZI=; b=I8FJMY3h/tq8qloqV63mSNxhh//VUOoWofW3hhVrOcKqxseqivWWvkojsxSDd7zkLH HOPMZWf609hnf7GIIL3JuFEHn9vcuq+lC70jiS1BLlTkVZl2C+nlrWtS8dQwWWbcEklm kFNrGdzR9i+CMmZOMgAzg2xDj0v2OY5pP/zag= Received: by 10.223.10.15 with SMTP id n15mr652772fan.35.1315880574563; Mon, 12 Sep 2011 19:22:54 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.204.134.87 with SMTP id i23ls50299bkt.2.gmail; Mon, 12 Sep 2011 19:22:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.151.213 with SMTP id d21mr259433bkw.15.1315880573337; Mon, 12 Sep 2011 19:22:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.151.213 with SMTP id d21mr259431bkw.15.1315880573318; Mon, 12 Sep 2011 19:22:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-fx0-f53.google.com (mail-fx0-f53.google.com [209.85.161.53]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id f27si45000faf.2.2011.09.12.19.22.53 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 12 Sep 2011 19:22:53 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 209.85.161.53 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.161.53; Received: by mail-fx0-f53.google.com with SMTP id 2so113252fxh.40 for ; Mon, 12 Sep 2011 19:22:53 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.10.22 with SMTP id n22mr864062fan.78.1315880573118; Mon, 12 Sep 2011 19:22:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.152.23.233 with HTTP; Mon, 12 Sep 2011 19:22:53 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20110912225255.GG28088@gonzales> References: <1315774215.25455.YahooMailRC@web81304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20110912225255.GG28088@gonzales> Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 23:22:53 -0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] {zo'e} as close-scope existentially quantified plural variable From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: jjllambias@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 209.85.161.53 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=jjllambias@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 7:52 PM, Martin Bays wrote: > > He also thinks we should be careful to separate generic brodas, which > satisfy a predicate iff brodas tend to satisfy it, from kinds which can > have entirely different properties (like being widespread). Would you also want to separate generic John, which satisfies a predicate iff his stages tend to satisfy it ( like "... smokes"), from the John that can have entirely different properties (like "... was born in London")? How is "John smokes and was born in London" different from "chihuahuas are fiercely loyal and may have originated in Mexico"? I don't see a good reason to accept one but not the other. mu'o mi'e xorxes -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.