From lojban+bncCIici4jiChDHmobzBBoEVIZdNg@googlegroups.com Fri Sep 02 19:13:38 2011 Received: from mail-pz0-f56.google.com ([209.85.210.56]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Qzfjj-00056g-GX; Fri, 02 Sep 2011 19:13:38 -0700 Received: by pzk33 with SMTP id 33sf7320413pzk.1 for ; Fri, 02 Sep 2011 19:13:29 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:mime-version:date:in-reply-to:references:user-agent :x-http-useragent:message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=VWeA85IEoTcRWcyunSvP1FYAZKJmcVTkSjZI0l7Kt0k=; b=z/buufJIHaS8aVGCm537a+6U8ZaS4PaLhV3DBq4yLp7nRNw+UDwjfpQgSJbb+Dr2Q3 PQhWKjqIcO5pWE+WvjyKznVcw6zguqYapmyrKdadOGHxzxxzNoFh3zudXKbv3bvdxrQf CaLyhhz4Gprzf4SaYG+/J2tbwPE2Bp41w7M1E= Received: by 10.68.17.67 with SMTP id m3mr649813pbd.7.1315016007965; Fri, 02 Sep 2011 19:13:27 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.142.218.14 with SMTP id q14ls1830484wfg.3.gmail; Fri, 02 Sep 2011 19:13:27 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.68.27.193 with SMTP id v1mr652557pbg.6.1315016007092; Fri, 02 Sep 2011 19:13:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: by x11g2000prb.googlegroups.com with HTTP; Fri, 2 Sep 2011 19:13:27 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2011 19:13:27 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <24760860.2452.1314918544682.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@yqfx10> References: <24760860.2452.1314918544682.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@yqfx10> User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:6.0.1) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/6.0.1,gzip(gfe) Message-ID: Subject: [lojban] Re: Frames and Relativity From: David <00ai99@gmail.com> To: lojban X-Original-Sender: 00ai99@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: ls.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of 00ai99@gmail.com designates internal as permitted sender) smtp.mail=00ai99@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sep 2, 8:09=A0am, djandus wrote: > Upon seeing "with frame of reference" for a place tag in a definition, on= of > my students asked me if there was a way to differentiate between > relativistic frames, etc. > I definitely want to shout this one out to the Lojban community because I= 'm > very curious about a few interesting possibilities. Essentially, I'm runn= ing > through a bunch of ideas I've had and hoping someone will correct me for = any > wrong ones. > > Depending on the Mathematics or Physics being discussed, I can imagine us= ing > the {ma'i} modal tag would be sufficient. > So, I'm now imagining a statement like {tema'i lo ckini} or something > similar to mean "in a relativistic frame". > Even better, there could be some cmevla for this, like {tema'i la > .ainstain.} or similar. > With this sort of interpretation, then, you could do things like {tema'i = ki > la .ainstain.} for, "now discussing in relativistic frames". > So this seems pretty easy to me for managing bridi, but what about sumti? > If I have the {kamsutra} of particle 1, {ky.pa.}, in a couple of {manri} ka sutra? So you're talking about the speediness (in the boolean or 'kind' sense rather than the 'amount' sense)? > then can I say something like {ky.pa ma'i my.pa zmadu ky.pa ma'i my.re}? AFAIK this will mean K1 is more than K1 in-reference-frame M2 Because the modal attaches to the bridi, not the sumti. One way I found to do this is {ky.pa poi co'e ma'i my.pa zmadu ky.pa poi co'e ma'i my.re} This treats [K1 which is something in-reference-frame M1] as a distinct value from [K1 which is something in-reference-frame M2] Which seems technically correct. --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den.