From lojban+bncCMHEmaCOBhD34OPzBBoEri_MTA@googlegroups.com Tue Sep 20 12:58:59 2011 Received: from mail-wy0-f189.google.com ([74.125.82.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1R66T1-0003Cd-PL; Tue, 20 Sep 2011 12:58:58 -0700 Received: by wyj26 with SMTP id 26sf1634419wyj.16 for ; Tue, 20 Sep 2011 12:58:48 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=4tA1kcQnSLWTWiMH4UJBpMJBp4O8IDRha0rVYQWaEQE=; b=O1vtwHMfMWQDrs7WDAkSXPTAOeHLpz5RQhRtID+aur5lyJDhn8vZad2u5UOI4obaHh BODd1rLukUb1md5yf/iTki6+godegDxA3HyoOSTIa5HjQ6+YRZ2InnSY5XdeEBOIEeBx y6hUQhzMWEe0mbqlUuAxpY51q47oPQgddFrfI= Received: by 10.216.166.21 with SMTP id f21mr575679wel.22.1316548727675; Tue, 20 Sep 2011 12:58:47 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.14.46.95 with SMTP id q71ls276247eeb.0.gmail; Tue, 20 Sep 2011 12:58:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.14.4.166 with SMTP id 38mr302094eej.16.1316548725750; Tue, 20 Sep 2011 12:58:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.14.4.166 with SMTP id 38mr302093eej.16.1316548725724; Tue, 20 Sep 2011 12:58:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-ey0-f181.google.com (mail-ey0-f181.google.com [209.85.215.181]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id s47si1801454eeb.0.2011.09.20.12.58.45 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 20 Sep 2011 12:58:45 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.215.181 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.215.181; Received: by eyg5 with SMTP id 5so579452eyg.40 for ; Tue, 20 Sep 2011 12:58:45 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.76.201 with SMTP id d9mr1831749fak.119.1316548725537; Tue, 20 Sep 2011 12:58:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.152.41.68 with HTTP; Tue, 20 Sep 2011 12:58:45 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <94BEFB7E-3B68-4F1A-BAE4-55232754DB45@yahoo.com> References: <90e6ba6e8ea2b4b5d104ad5c4012@google.com> <94BEFB7E-3B68-4F1A-BAE4-55232754DB45@yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 13:58:45 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Should we have another mailing list for abstruse discussions? From: Jonathan Jones To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: eyeonus@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.215.181 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=eyeonus@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00151747bdba1d7cbc04ad64e3d3 --00151747bdba1d7cbc04ad64e3d3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 8:04 AM, John E. Clifford wrote: > Well, as the old saying (I've been saying it for thirty some years) goes, > "If you want to have a logical language, you have to put up with a little > logic". In the present case, since it concerns {zo'e}, the most common > unwritten word in Lojban, and thus {lo}, the most common written word > (possibly excluding {I} and { cu}), it would seem to be worthy of general > attention. The demands of the discussion are not great (yes, Montague's > course was graduate level, but Partee's was just Senior level and we don't > need the whole pile here). So gird up and learn a little about possible > worlds and mappings and intensionality. Jboske would be a nice site, but,as > noted, no one goes there and there is no handy connection to it from the > general site. > > Sent from my iPad > I don't even know what the TITLE means. Oh, I know I could probably look it up and find out, sure. But, here's the thing- I don't care. I am not a linguist or logician. I have no interest whatsoever IN understanding. Figuring out how the language works isn't my job. That job belongs to the linguists and logicians. They figure out how a word works, then they tell us, in layman's terms, once they've figured it out. The whole zo'e thing going on is exactly that- something they are figuring out. I've got enough stuff on my "to learn" plate being in college without putting the learning of an entirely new discipline on there too- especially one that I'm not interested in anyway. If I don't /need/ to learn it, and I don't /want/ to learn it, I'm not going to learn it. Simple as that. Get back to me when you figure out what zo'e means. > > On Sep 20, 2011, at 5:40, rdentato@gmail.com wrote: > > On , Arnt Richard Johansen wrote: > > There is jboske@yahoogroups.com, but that one hasn't been posted to > since 2007. > > Great! Let's ask those that want to conduct such in-depth discussions to > move there! > > remod > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. > -- mu'o mi'e .aionys. .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o (Come to the Dot Side! 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On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 8:04 AM, John E. Cliffor= d <kali9putra@= yahoo.com> wrote:
Well, as the old saying (I've been saying= it for thirty some years) goes, "If you want to have a logical langua= ge, you have to put up with a little logic". =A0In the present case, s= ince it concerns {zo'e}, the most common unwritten word in Lojban, and = thus {lo}, the most common written word (possibly excluding {I} and { cu}),= it would seem to be worthy of general attention. =A0The demands of the dis= cussion are not great (yes, Montague's course was graduate level, but P= artee's was just Senior level and we don't need the whole pile here= ). =A0So gird up and learn a little about possible worlds and mappings and = intensionality. =A0Jboske would be a nice site, but,as noted, no one goes t= here and there is no handy connection to it from the general site.

Sent from my iPad

I don't eve= n know what the TITLE means. Oh, I know I could probably look it up and fin= d out, sure. But, here's the thing- I don't care. I am not a lingui= st or logician. I have no interest whatsoever IN understanding. Figuring ou= t how the language works isn't my job. That job belongs to the linguist= s and logicians. They figure out how a word works, then they tell us, in la= yman's terms, once they've figured it out. The whole zo'e thing= going on is exactly that- something they are figuring out.

I've got enough stuff on my "to learn" plate being in col= lege without putting the learning of an entirely new discipline on there to= o- especially one that I'm not interested in anyway. If I don't /ne= ed/ to learn it, and I don't /want/ to learn it, I'm not going to l= earn it. Simple as that. Get back to me when you figure out what zo'e m= eans.

=A0

On Sep 20, = 2011, at 5:40, rden= tato@gmail.com wrote:

On , Arnt Richard Johan= sen <arj@nvg.org>= ; wrote:
> There is jboske@yahoogroups.com, but that one hasn't been posted= to since 2007.

Great! Let's ask those that want to conduct such in-depth discussio= ns to move there!

remod

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