From lojban+bncCOTEtqyUDhDSieTzBBoEPj2Krw@googlegroups.com Tue Sep 20 14:25:48 2011 Received: from mail-pz0-f61.google.com ([209.85.210.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1R67p4-0006HQ-34; Tue, 20 Sep 2011 14:25:48 -0700 Received: by pzk36 with SMTP id 36sf330163pzk.16 for ; Tue, 20 Sep 2011 14:25:40 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:date:from:to:subject:message-id:references :mime-version:content-type:content-disposition:in-reply-to:x-pgp-key :x-pgp-keyid:x-cunselcu'a-valsi:user-agent:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe; bh=UIXlqHHpi/Vz9zhZd03uLdwOn8Q+p7mQVzdJeb5PCZM=; b=zqf6rMpVNFfl778T7xxRQ4aspSUptklhtG/mV1vAnkJc30IML7DuK+KSHla/6sOOri sVAH0zo4CkLVbPPRlywuD3Rlmi/odBpdZXQpHx/AwjBF9LhU+WYy/YeMkbnzdLbZ5oUN Ekhh+NRBda00DXx8fk2ChPxgJhz4ixKKjZqhw= Received: by 10.68.20.134 with SMTP id n6mr19183pbe.44.1316553938852; Tue, 20 Sep 2011 14:25:38 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.68.120.168 with SMTP id ld8ls3036814pbb.7.gmail; Tue, 20 Sep 2011 14:25:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.68.62.35 with SMTP id v3mr86466pbr.32.1316553937603; Tue, 20 Sep 2011 14:25:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.68.62.35 with SMTP id v3mr86465pbr.32.1316553937588; Tue, 20 Sep 2011 14:25:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sdf.lonestar.org (mx.sdf.org. [192.94.73.19]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id p6si3722517pbc.0.2011.09.20.14.25.37 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 20 Sep 2011 14:25:37 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of mbays@sdf.org designates 192.94.73.19 as permitted sender) client-ip=192.94.73.19; Received: from gonzales.homelinux.org (root@sverige.freeshell.org [192.94.73.4]) by sdf.lonestar.org (8.14.4/8.14.3) with ESMTP id p8KLPZHp024551 for ; Tue, 20 Sep 2011 21:25:36 GMT Received: from martin by gonzales.homelinux.org with local (Exim 4.75) (envelope-from ) id 1R67ot-00049g-Lf for lojban@googlegroups.com; Tue, 20 Sep 2011 17:25:35 -0400 Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 17:25:35 -0400 From: Martin Bays To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] Should we have another mailing list for abstruse discussions? Message-ID: <20110920212535.GQ4310@gonzales> References: <90e6ba6e8ea2b4b5d104ad5c4012@google.com> <94BEFB7E-3B68-4F1A-BAE4-55232754DB45@yahoo.com> <1316552990.27459.YahooMailRC@web81308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="9AazSAFPVKSPmRXK" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1316552990.27459.YahooMailRC@web81308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-PGP-Key: http://mbays.freeshell.org/pubkey.asc X-PGP-KeyId: B5FB2CD6 X-cunselcu'a-valsi: korbi User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Original-Sender: mbays@sdf.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of mbays@sdf.org designates 192.94.73.19 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=mbays@sdf.org Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , --9AazSAFPVKSPmRXK Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable (I don't really want to get involved in this, but let me just say that I appreciate the work that even lojbanists who care not at all about the precise grammatical meaning of their utterances (not that I mean to assert that Jonathan falls into that category) do for the Cause by developing vocabulary and providing usage examples for us to ponder.) * Tuesday, 2011-09-20 at 14:09 -0700 - John E Clifford : > Well, in keeping with the saying, what is the attraction of Lojban to you= ? Why=20 > not take up Klingon, which has a definite culture and definitive answers = to your=20 > haja questions (haja form the pluperfect subjunctive?, a question liable = to get=20 > more muddy than xorlo in Lojban)? Or toki pona, that takes about a day t= o learn=20 > enough to carry on conversations on a range of things and contribute to t= he=20 > list? And, while most of your contributions have been about haja question= s or=20 > general learning aids (the best app for your smartphone, say), you have t= aken=20 > part in earlier rounds of the eternal xorlo issue so, are not completely= =20 > uninterested nor ignorant. So, what do you think {lo broda} means? >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > ________________________________ > From: Jonathan Jones > To: lojban@googlegroups.com > Sent: Tue, September 20, 2011 2:58:45 PM > Subject: Re: [lojban] Should we have another mailing list for abstruse=20 > discussions? >=20 >=20 > On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 8:04 AM, John E. Clifford = wrote: >=20 > Well, as the old saying (I've been saying it for thirty some years) goes,= "If=20 > you want to have a logical language, you have to put up with a little log= ic".=20 > In the present case, since it concerns {zo'e}, the most common unwritten= word=20 > in Lojban, and thus {lo}, the most common written word (possibly excludin= g {I}=20 > and { cu}), it would seem to be worthy of general attention. The demands= of the=20 > discussion are not great (yes, Montague's course was graduate level, but= =20 > Partee's was just Senior level and we don't need the whole pile here). S= o gird=20 > up and learn a little about possible worlds and mappings and intensionali= ty.=20 > Jboske would be a nice site, but,as noted, no one goes there and there i= s no=20 > handy connection to it from the general site. > > > >Sent from my iPad >=20 > I don't even know what the TITLE means. Oh, I know I could probably look = it up=20 > and find out, sure. But, here's the thing- I don't care. I am not a lingu= ist or=20 > logician. I have no interest whatsoever IN understanding. Figuring out ho= w the=20 > language works isn't my job. That job belongs to the linguists and logici= ans.=20 > They figure out how a word works, then they tell us, in layman's terms, o= nce=20 > they've figured it out. The whole zo'e thing going on is exactly that- so= mething=20 > they are figuring out. >=20 > I've got enough stuff on my "to learn" plate being in college without put= ting=20 > the learning of an entirely new discipline on there too- especially one t= hat I'm=20 > not interested in anyway. If I don't /need/ to learn it, and I don't /wan= t/ to=20 > learn it, I'm not going to learn it. Simple as that. Get back to me when = you=20 > figure out what zo'e means. >=20 > =20 >=20 > >On Sep 20, 2011, at 5:40, rdentato@gmail.com wrote: > > > > > >On , Arnt Richard Johansen wrote: > >>> There is jboske@yahoogroups.com, but that one hasn't been posted to s= ince=20 > >>2007. > >> > >>Great! Let's ask those that want to conduct such in-depth discussions t= o move=20 > >>there! > >> > >>remod=20 > --=20 > >>You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Grou= ps=20 > >>"lojban" group. > >>To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > >>To unsubscribe from this group, send email to=20 > >>lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > >>For more options, visit this group at=20 > >>http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=3Den. > >> > > > --=20 > >You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Group= s=20 > >"lojban" group. > >To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > >To unsubscribe from this group, send email to=20 > >lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > >For more options, visit this group at=20 > >http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=3Den. > > >=20 >=20 > --=20 > mu'o mi'e .aionys. >=20 > .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o > (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) >=20 >=20 > --=20 > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups= =20 > "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to=20 > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at=20 > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=3Den. >=20 > --=20 > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups= "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegr= oups.com. > For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojb= an?hl=3Den. >=20 --9AazSAFPVKSPmRXK Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.17 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAk55BM8ACgkQULC7OLX7LNYTAQCfTuIyJ3ohCp11KdFcQtVp6lAR 2pYAn2O6Ulllg58wR21V+Ds1psAsREMA =txhq -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --9AazSAFPVKSPmRXK--