From lojban+bncCJzE7b_XFxCSoYDzBBoE81sv3A@googlegroups.com Thu Sep 01 16:09:16 2011 Received: from mail-yi0-f61.google.com ([209.85.218.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1QzGNl-0006v1-Nv; Thu, 01 Sep 2011 16:09:16 -0700 Received: by yie36 with SMTP id 36sf1938748yie.16 for ; Thu, 01 Sep 2011 16:09:07 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:date:from:reply-to:to:message-id:subject:mime-version :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:precedence :mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help :list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=MVeH0FQbRueFJnJhxdzQVQVgGWl0sF3BXxR3ZBKH+Q4=; b=EpGO/bVAqTJ0vOqomVnqe1qPrfg144l+A6nrj5wGdKcoXKZNAbPaED13P3XlIE7Yvm f324BrU/5s0q9bkMnNRpEredyvF7Ye2LqlaoYaOrmsWcAlKPL0+UpquelEcXGKBjudc7 UXfbl9aipyRj1WLufhR0wqKnYbe56E7CVRIIQ= Received: by 10.236.23.40 with SMTP id u28mr250944yhu.10.1314918546199; Thu, 01 Sep 2011 16:09:06 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.100.249.16 with SMTP id w16ls2256075anh.3.gmail; Thu, 01 Sep 2011 16:09:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.100.104.2 with SMTP id b2mr58721anc.33.1314918545410; Thu, 01 Sep 2011 16:09:05 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2011 16:09:04 -0700 (PDT) From: djandus Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com To: lojban@googlegroups.com Message-ID: <24760860.2452.1314918544682.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@yqfx10> Subject: [lojban] Frames and Relativity MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Original-Sender: jandew@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: ls.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of jandew@gmail.com designates internal as permitted sender) smtp.mail=jandew@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_2451_23312090.1314918544681" ------=_Part_2451_23312090.1314918544681 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Upon seeing "with frame of reference" for a place tag in a definition, on of my students asked me if there was a way to differentiate between relativistic frames, etc. I definitely want to shout this one out to the Lojban community because I'm very curious about a few interesting possibilities. Essentially, I'm running through a bunch of ideas I've had and hoping someone will correct me for any wrong ones. Depending on the Mathematics or Physics being discussed, I can imagine using the {ma'i} modal tag would be sufficient. So, I'm now imagining a statement like {tema'i lo ckini} or something similar to mean "in a relativistic frame". Even better, there could be some cmevla for this, like {tema'i la .ainstain.} or similar. With this sort of interpretation, then, you could do things like {tema'i ki la .ainstain.} for, "now discussing in relativistic frames". So this seems pretty easy to me for managing bridi, but what about sumti? If I have the {kamsutra} of particle 1, {ky.pa.}, in a couple of {manri} then can I say something like {ky.pa ma'i my.pa zmadu ky.pa ma'i my.re}? If so, does this seem reasonable for notation? (It does to me, but I'm just wondering what others think.) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/lojban/-/Efl9VXub6w8J. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. ------=_Part_2451_23312090.1314918544681 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Upon seeing "with frame of reference" for a place tag in a definition, on o= f my students asked me if there was a way to differentiate between relativi= stic frames, etc.
I definitely want to shout this one out to the Lojban= community because I'm very curious about a few interesting possibilities. = Essentially, I'm running through a bunch of ideas I've had and hoping someo= ne will correct me for any wrong ones.

Depending o= n the Mathematics or Physics being discussed, I can imagine using the {ma'i= } modal tag would be sufficient.
So, I'm now imagining a statemen= t like {tema'i lo ckini} or something similar to mean "in a relativistic fr= ame".
Even better, there could be some cmevla for this, like {tem= a'i la .ainstain.} or similar.
With this sort of interpretation, = then, you could do things like {tema'i ki la .ainstain.} for, "now discussi= ng in relativistic frames".
So this seems pretty easy to me for m= anaging bridi, but what about sumti?
If I have the {kamsutra} of = particle 1, {ky.pa.}, in a couple of {manri} then can I say something like = {ky.pa ma'i my.pa zmadu ky.pa ma'i my.re}?
If so, does this seem = reasonable for notation? (It does to me, but I'm just wondering what others= think.)

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