From lojban+bncCML0xpmUARDl35vzBBoEaiVxLA@googlegroups.com Tue Sep 06 21:15:46 2011 Received: from mail-fx0-f61.google.com ([209.85.161.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1R19Y6-00026k-Gp; Tue, 06 Sep 2011 21:15:46 -0700 Received: by fxd2 with SMTP id 2sf175471fxd.16 for ; Tue, 06 Sep 2011 21:15:35 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=+BzL0PJxt0f5BVu3JP9Vssv90Jrm6LfmQetcmUdQVDc=; b=LlLKctOnolbb/IzB/Kz8BBG8DPbGDH7DDbaPwrzMCxuwY7ttzI8xafgcbnA3l15ZxI OV4571GVzbOm5Shb1Gb1a3YqmTRycwDwLp3mwSUWN5wpXKMhMz5BgR8gLu+XQepB7dIj VaZHdRYCeQ5UiSpWKIUj5po/djMRBCvf9Oo7w= Received: by 10.223.26.137 with SMTP id e9mr965395fac.8.1315368933739; Tue, 06 Sep 2011 21:15:33 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.204.131.67 with SMTP id w3ls1315586bks.2.gmail; Tue, 06 Sep 2011 21:15:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.8.2 with SMTP id f2mr1220058bkf.0.1315368932410; Tue, 06 Sep 2011 21:15:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.8.2 with SMTP id f2mr1220057bkf.0.1315368932389; Tue, 06 Sep 2011 21:15:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-fx0-f42.google.com (mail-fx0-f42.google.com [209.85.161.42]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id k16si2080483fah.0.2011.09.06.21.15.32 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 06 Sep 2011 21:15:32 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of blindbravado@gmail.com designates 209.85.161.42 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.161.42; Received: by mail-fx0-f42.google.com with SMTP id 23so481354fxe.1 for ; Tue, 06 Sep 2011 21:15:32 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.24.208 with SMTP id w16mr1831122fab.68.1315368932235; Tue, 06 Sep 2011 21:15:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.223.74.131 with HTTP; Tue, 6 Sep 2011 21:15:32 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <201109061910.32900.phma@phma.optus.nu> References: <201109061910.32900.phma@phma.optus.nu> Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2011 00:15:32 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] tosmabru test From: Ian Johnson To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: blindbravado@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of blindbravado@gmail.com designates 209.85.161.42 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=blindbravado@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001517493bc8f45aa604ac5231ac --001517493bc8f45aa604ac5231ac Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable A disagreement between giants! zo'o sai li'a mu'o mi'e latros On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 7:10 PM, Pierre Abbat wrote: > On Tuesday, September 06, 2011 03:49:51 PM Remo Dentato wrote: > > On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 9:35 PM, Luke Bergen > wrote: > > > I believe it would fail even before then due to {oa} not being a vali= d > > > vowel combination > > > > Let's generalize the question, I'm bad at examples :) > > > > "do the tosmabru test apply to any (apparent) 'word' that could, > > instead, be broken in a cmavo+brivla"? > > No. The tosmabru test applies to an apparent lujvo such that removing CV > from > the beginning results in another apparent lujvo. "respageti" is two words= , > not > a fu'ivla, but it is not a tosmabru. "pageti" is not a gismu, a rafsi, or= a > concatenation of rafsi, so "respageti" is not an apparent lujvo. > > Pierre > -- > La sal en el mar es m=E1s que en la sangre. > Le sel dans la mer est plus que dans le sang. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=3Den. > > --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den. --001517493bc8f45aa604ac5231ac Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable A disagreement between giants! zo'o sai li'a

mu'o mi'= ;e latros

On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 7:10 PM,= Pierre Abbat <p= hma@phma.optus.nu> wrote:
On Tuesday, September 06,= 2011 03:49:51 PM Remo Dentato wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 9:35 PM, Luke Bergen <lukeabergen@gmail.com> wrote:
> > I believe it would fail even before then due to {oa} not being a = valid
> > vowel combination
>
> Let's generalize the question, I'm bad at examples :)
>
> "do the tosmabru test apply to any (apparent) 'word' that= could,
> instead, be broken in a cmavo+brivla"?

No. The tosmabru test applies to an apparent lujvo such that removing= CV from
the beginning results in another apparent lujvo. "respageti" is t= wo words, not
a fu'ivla, but it is not a tosmabru. "pageti" is not a gismu,= a rafsi, or a
concatenation of rafsi, so "respageti" is not an apparent lujvo.<= br>
Pierre
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La sal en el mar es m=E1s que en la sangre.
Le sel dans la mer est plus que dans le sang.

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