From lojban+bncCML0xpmUARDbgYHzBBoE4hKygA@googlegroups.com Thu Sep 01 19:35:19 2011 Received: from mail-fx0-f61.google.com ([209.85.161.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1QzJb9-0004UM-Vr; Thu, 01 Sep 2011 19:35:18 -0700 Received: by fxd2 with SMTP id 2sf862679fxd.16 for ; Thu, 01 Sep 2011 19:35:08 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=rrQzbJ13OlkQ7vYhdVuF2LUofMlr4L7GuJm9lB0NqXM=; b=XiTp7a3NX28KsxPdqIzkuG3YeUEi2jdGjxmzRCBclYrt78yg5tFnD02058mY8hGh0G lxG+Qr7AI/2Q7uhiRCvEAbC2VVhE1Eume6pwi6J8YARXHknK4g1tE7Eq3F/8iYZrq3WG U1NlYqKLus9vzHW1ax9rbWOJgGpgTNDkhd8Gs= Received: by 10.223.27.137 with SMTP id i9mr118341fac.47.1314930907433; Thu, 01 Sep 2011 19:35:07 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.204.38.7 with SMTP id z7ls983328bkd.3.gmail; Thu, 01 Sep 2011 19:35:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.150.197 with SMTP id z5mr99158bkv.3.1314930905973; Thu, 01 Sep 2011 19:35:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.150.197 with SMTP id z5mr99157bkv.3.1314930905916; Thu, 01 Sep 2011 19:35:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-fx0-f49.google.com (mail-fx0-f49.google.com [209.85.161.49]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id t20si161316fab.2.2011.09.01.19.35.04 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 01 Sep 2011 19:35:04 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of blindbravado@gmail.com designates 209.85.161.49 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.161.49; Received: by mail-fx0-f49.google.com with SMTP id 20so1695434fxd.22 for ; Thu, 01 Sep 2011 19:35:04 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.22.131 with SMTP id n3mr904591fab.4.1314930904714; Thu, 01 Sep 2011 19:35:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.223.100.13 with HTTP; Thu, 1 Sep 2011 19:35:04 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2011 22:35:04 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: assignment affected by context From: Ian Johnson To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: blindbravado@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of blindbravado@gmail.com designates 209.85.161.49 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=blindbravado@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001517478c487acfde04abec3511 --001517478c487acfde04abec3511 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable But {lo djacu} necessarily becomes {lo se pinxe}, then. OK, fair enough. mu'o mi'e .latros. 2011/9/1 Jorge Llamb=EDas > On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 7:38 PM, Ian Johnson > wrote: > > Are you sure that {na} isn't somehow special in this regard (since it i= s > > special in several other regards)? > > In what way is it special? If you don't like "na", try any other > operator with scope over the quantifier, such as: > > ro mi'o pinxe pimu lo djacu goi ko'a > "Each of us drank half of the water (from now on referred to as "ko'a")" > > or: > > mi ka'e pinxe pimu lo djacu goi ko'a > "I could drink half of the water (from now on referred to as 'ko'a')" > > > >Also, the definition of {lo} involves > > {zo'e}, which means that the context of the sentence may affect the > referent > > of {lo djacu}, no? > > Yes, whatever referent "lo djacu" has is the one that gets assigned to > "ko'a". > > mu'o mi'e xorxes > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=3Den. > > --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den. --001517478c487acfde04abec3511 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable But {lo djacu} necessarily becomes {lo se pinxe}, then. OK, fair enough.
mu'o mi'e .latros.

2011/9/1 = Jorge Llamb=EDas <jjllambias@gmail.com>
On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 7:= 38 PM, Ian Johnson <blindbrava= do@gmail.com> wrote:
> Are you sure that {na} isn't somehow special in this regard (since= it is
> special in several other regards)?

In what way is it special? If you don't like "na", try = any other
operator with scope over the quantifier, such as:

=A0ro mi'o pinxe pimu lo djacu goi ko'a
=A0"Each of us drank half of the water (from now on referred to as &q= uot;ko'a")"

or:

=A0mi ka'e pinxe pimu lo djacu goi ko'a
=A0"I could drink half of the water (from now on referred to as '= ko'a')"


>Also, the definition of {lo} involves
> {zo'e}, which means that the context of the sentence may affect th= e referent
> of {lo djacu}, no?

Yes, whatever referent "lo djacu" has is the one that gets = assigned to "ko'a".

mu'o mi'e xorxes

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