From lojban+bncCK7Yk5CUCxDSkZzzBBoExedl8g@googlegroups.com Tue Sep 06 23:02:05 2011 Received: from mail-gx0-f185.google.com ([209.85.161.185]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1R1BD0-00052H-Ts; Tue, 06 Sep 2011 23:02:05 -0700 Received: by gxk5 with SMTP id 5sf6700036gxk.12 for ; Tue, 06 Sep 2011 23:01:56 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=brgKfjuASBtFjWY/1Xp5oxowxBTLRRnAYl71slmC75Q=; b=3awMsVVfmz0XfT74VcI0J6vScf0meJJ2oeRnRfjrNCxGoaLj3B2WWDb632sUIwX/Rd //3v1NMONrEqnTImhEb7pkMu31m1IdI/oBOrdH0Lr40e+BtiuLxQevJASUecCvC8L/Fz IfMooYMxHH8/T92XXRNk/BX9aGyU/MNigdK2o= Received: by 10.100.29.2 with SMTP id c2mr734827anc.29.1315375314443; Tue, 06 Sep 2011 23:01:54 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.101.171.12 with SMTP id y12ls3753271ano.2.gmail; Tue, 06 Sep 2011 23:01:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.101.105.7 with SMTP id h7mr5491329anm.38.1315375313777; Tue, 06 Sep 2011 23:01:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.101.105.7 with SMTP id h7mr5491328anm.38.1315375313755; Tue, 06 Sep 2011 23:01:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-gy0-f181.google.com (mail-gy0-f181.google.com [209.85.160.181]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id v10si9545683anq.2.2011.09.06.23.01.53 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 06 Sep 2011 23:01:53 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of rdentato@gmail.com designates 209.85.160.181 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.160.181; Received: by gyg8 with SMTP id 8so2923754gyg.26 for ; Tue, 06 Sep 2011 23:01:53 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.42.105.146 with SMTP id v18mr4695662ico.429.1315375313536; Tue, 06 Sep 2011 23:01:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.42.178.71 with HTTP; Tue, 6 Sep 2011 23:01:53 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <201109061910.32900.phma@phma.optus.nu> References: <201109061910.32900.phma@phma.optus.nu> Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2011 08:01:53 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] tosmabru test From: Remo Dentato To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: rdentato@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of rdentato@gmail.com designates 209.85.160.181 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=rdentato@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 1:10 AM, Pierre Abbat wrote: > On Tuesday, September 06, 2011 03:49:51 PM Remo Dentato wrote: >> "do the tosmabru test apply to any (apparent) 'word' that could, >> instead, be broken in a cmavo+brivla"? > > No. The tosmabru test applies to an apparent lujvo such that removing CV from > the beginning results in another apparent lujvo. "respageti" is two words, not > a fu'ivla, but it is not a tosmabru. "pageti" is not a gismu, a rafsi, or a > concatenation of rafsi, so "respageti" is not an apparent lujvo. Ok, but for practical purpose (i.e. recognizing valid words) still {respageti} must be considered a CMAVO+BRIVLA (a fu'ivla in this case). I don't understand why we should use another name for this test when a fu'ivla is involved instead of a lujvo. remod -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.