From lojban+bncCK7Yk5CUCxCrlZzzBBoEhQ7HBQ@googlegroups.com Tue Sep 06 23:09:58 2011 Received: from mail-vx0-f189.google.com ([209.85.220.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1R1BKd-0005Vu-CI; Tue, 06 Sep 2011 23:09:57 -0700 Received: by vxh7 with SMTP id 7sf477335vxh.16 for ; Tue, 06 Sep 2011 23:09:48 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=2PLRnSfv16MdNP+PSFaKoYVaoHfnvTP8rMcodqA3GmM=; b=TayR/ylCigfIznJPB/erPEvT0ur+7GA2WuVJhJYMolLdfvh2lhyC4lqgo5rPYGOCt3 v8bvDp1ibOq63i2jYVyHaK8PlDn/UmPsWswA2afrhwGVKeO1n9Yb3aGK9mxLE02IuL9S T84O6+uho2118FX2jTaPsAGnxT/83Pq4FrTgk= Received: by 10.220.199.10 with SMTP id eq10mr437833vcb.16.1315375787308; Tue, 06 Sep 2011 23:09:47 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.52.24.163 with SMTP id v3ls1742685vdf.3.gmail; Tue, 06 Sep 2011 23:09:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.236.184.65 with SMTP id r41mr18669562yhm.6.1315375786711; Tue, 06 Sep 2011 23:09:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.236.184.65 with SMTP id r41mr18669561yhm.6.1315375786701; Tue, 06 Sep 2011 23:09:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-yx0-f176.google.com (mail-yx0-f176.google.com [209.85.213.176]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id d41si2736404yhe.3.2011.09.06.23.09.46 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 06 Sep 2011 23:09:46 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of rdentato@gmail.com designates 209.85.213.176 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.213.176; Received: by mail-yx0-f176.google.com with SMTP id 4so4328192yxp.7 for ; Tue, 06 Sep 2011 23:09:46 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.42.147.8 with SMTP id l8mr4942761icv.496.1315375786431; Tue, 06 Sep 2011 23:09:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.42.178.71 with HTTP; Tue, 6 Sep 2011 23:09:46 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2011 08:09:46 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] tosmabru test From: Remo Dentato To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: rdentato@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of rdentato@gmail.com designates 209.85.213.176 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=rdentato@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable 2011/9/6 Jorge Llamb=EDas : > On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 4:49 PM, Remo Dentato wrote: >> >> Let's generalize the question, I'm bad at examples :) >> >> "do the tosmabru test apply to any (apparent) 'word' that could, >> instead, be broken in a cmavo+brivla"? > > Yes, anything that can be broken into cmavo+brivla is indeed a > cmavo+brivla. "lospageti" (with no stress on "lo"!) is the same as "lo > spageti". I find this reasonable. Thanks > (If you do stress "lo" however, you end up with three words "lospa ge > ti", where "lospa" is an undefined gismu.) I understand this (as the tosmabru test) is needed to ensure uniqueness of word breakdown even when all spaces are removed. I must confess I do not understand why this is so important, it seems to me that not using spaces (and pauses) as a mechanism to break words creates more difficulties without bringing any benefit. To be clear, I'm not advocating any change! I fully accept things as they are defined. Just would like to understand better the benefits of considering {to smabru} and {tosmabru} the same thing. remod --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den.