From lojban+bncCJ2UzZHuDRDv_Z_zBBoEz-x-XA@googlegroups.com Wed Sep 07 16:32:23 2011 Received: from mail-vx0-f189.google.com ([209.85.220.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1R1RbE-0003C5-5S; Wed, 07 Sep 2011 16:32:22 -0700 Received: by vxh7 with SMTP id 7sf131473vxh.16 for ; Wed, 07 Sep 2011 16:32:01 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=vFLHu5FOUpnn02PfxlIPN3f5UWC51zz6JCnBA9ErlqM=; b=sGSWy3mHBJ2qFZv5pE0rrkyvQxB27+SUITZ9lPOlYKYpmLDD4Ijn0QApq/ua3ymdEC 0rmt9FQLtIbsF066UYv3ralRwxTXGq+WNQidVOwtpWNjK7ThsuISSuH0XkSG0FWI7Nh5 DFLGgaisANYHhUJIgNa/uEDkN1Z2lmn7wVt10= Received: by 10.220.38.2 with SMTP id z2mr1317870vcd.41.1315438319434; Wed, 07 Sep 2011 16:31:59 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.52.21.204 with SMTP id x12ls425358vde.0.gmail; Wed, 07 Sep 2011 16:31:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.28.101 with SMTP id a5mr16980vdh.3.1315438318830; Wed, 07 Sep 2011 16:31:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.28.101 with SMTP id a5mr16979vdh.3.1315438318823; Wed, 07 Sep 2011 16:31:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-vx0-f173.google.com (mail-vx0-f173.google.com [209.85.220.173]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id f5si873612vdu.1.2011.09.07.16.31.58 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 07 Sep 2011 16:31:58 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 209.85.220.173 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.220.173; Received: by vxi32 with SMTP id 32so200810vxi.4 for ; Wed, 07 Sep 2011 16:31:58 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.52.92.233 with SMTP id cp9mr1890642vdb.513.1315438318604; Wed, 07 Sep 2011 16:31:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.163.133 with HTTP; Wed, 7 Sep 2011 16:31:58 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20110907030141.GA30833@gonzales> References: <20110907030141.GA30833@gonzales> Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2011 20:31:58 -0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] {zo'e} as close-scope existentially quantified plural variable From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: jjllambias@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 209.85.220.173 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=jjllambias@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 12:01 AM, Martin Bays wrote: > > Any problem with this? As far as I can see, it explains all common usage > of {zo'e} - and also of {lo} and {le} with their {zo'e (n|v)oi} > interpretations. "zo'e" can have an irrelevant or an obvious value. Close-scope existential quantification may perhaps substitute zo'e in cases of irrelevant values, but not in cases of obvious values: - xu do klama lo zarci - mi klama That's "I go [there]", not "I go [somewhere]". Or: -mi na klama "I don't go (there)", not "I don't go (anywhere)". Or: - ro ma'a klama "All of us go (there)", not "each of us go [somewhere]". "zo'e" is just like "mi", "do", "ti", "ta", "tu"... only much more open ended as to what referents it can pick up from the context of the utterance. mu'o mi'e xorxes -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.