From lojban+bncCJ2UzZHuDRDKkKDzBBoEF4oD0Q@googlegroups.com Wed Sep 07 17:12:05 2011 Received: from mail-qy0-f189.google.com ([209.85.216.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1R1SDq-0004mq-IL; Wed, 07 Sep 2011 17:12:05 -0700 Received: by qyk33 with SMTP id 33sf271492qyk.16 for ; Wed, 07 Sep 2011 17:11:56 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=TCS1z9YY9aiD4IG+t4cX8NWE3x0sYYLPPU3mhbIP2qI=; b=BH92ZMbVxxb28pgGlRqUCllks/SxYGv2NnJtdNbf2XP9lPjkA2LdGa48ydNmU10SvO Ndk3c7hsucTvxPmyxhtQC9vHhQMe3dJPauKl00id0UFH98rr7QPHNFojYrgECQm94V9N yyU80eWIpGmQs8DYZ6iUTCy/unutgnZoqJhu0= Received: by 10.224.174.137 with SMTP id t9mr3087qaz.5.1315440714373; Wed, 07 Sep 2011 17:11:54 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.224.203.195 with SMTP id fj3ls4320195qab.5.gmail; Wed, 07 Sep 2011 17:11:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.224.215.196 with SMTP id hf4mr27363qab.27.1315440713430; Wed, 07 Sep 2011 17:11:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.224.215.196 with SMTP id hf4mr27362qab.27.1315440713420; Wed, 07 Sep 2011 17:11:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-vw0-f54.google.com (mail-vw0-f54.google.com [209.85.212.54]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id m27si1166227qcz.2.2011.09.07.17.11.53 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 07 Sep 2011 17:11:53 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 209.85.212.54 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.212.54; Received: by mail-vw0-f54.google.com with SMTP id 18so376113vws.13 for ; Wed, 07 Sep 2011 17:11:53 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.52.93.48 with SMTP id cr16mr26916vdb.312.1315440711851; Wed, 07 Sep 2011 17:11:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.163.133 with HTTP; Wed, 7 Sep 2011 17:11:51 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4E6744CE.5000203@lojban.org> References: <4E6744CE.5000203@lojban.org> Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2011 21:11:51 -0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] tosmabru test From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: jjllambias@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 209.85.212.54 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=jjllambias@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 7:17 AM, Bob LeChevalier, President and Founder - LLG wrote: > > fu'ivla are at the bottom of the pecking order among Lojban word-forms, a= nd > ANYTHING about a possible fu'ivla that could lead to ambiguous resolution= as > something else makes it invalid. =A0There are a number of possible ways a= word > could fall apart, and we made no attempt to concoct a specific test for a= ll > of them, and indeed decided at the time that the question of defining all > necessary tests algorithmically was too hard to be practical (at the time= ), The test to determine whether a given string is a valid fu'ivla or not is not that complicated: (1) check that it doesn't violate phonotactics (i.e. it doesn't contain any impermissible clusters). (2) check that its only stressed syllable is the penultimate one, that it ends in a vowel and that it does not contain any "y". (3) check that it doesn't consist of a string of rafsi, and that adding CV in front of it does not turn it into a string of rafsi. (4) check that if you remove one or more cmavo forms from the left, you don't end up with nothing, a gismu, a lujvo or something that passes (1), (2) and (3). Any string that passes those four tests is a valid fu'ivla. The second part of (3) is called the slinku'i test, and (4) could very well be called the tosmabru test for fu'ivla, even though we don't call it that. > =A0There is no name for the generalized algorithm (which would break down= any > text string marked for stress uniquely. I call it "the PEG Morphology": http://www.lojban.org/tiki/BPFK+Section%3A+PEG+Morphology+Algorithm mu'o mi'e xorxes --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den.