From lojban+bncCNTPpI2KGxCN2qDzBBoEn1X91Q@googlegroups.com Wed Sep 07 19:48:57 2011 Received: from mail-qy0-f189.google.com ([209.85.216.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1R1Ufd-0000YJ-Qf; Wed, 07 Sep 2011 19:48:56 -0700 Received: by qyk33 with SMTP id 33sf331596qyk.16 for ; Wed, 07 Sep 2011 19:48:47 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:x-authority-analysis:x-cloudmark-score :x-originating-ip:from:to:subject:date:user-agent:references :in-reply-to:mime-version:message-id:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; bh=/G82RfYAOsgDIJIs/FxtxCvCrLqL1O4A7g16s7ZHmvk=; b=08JJnzTXGoeI7UTbQAdPuseoOD/Qdl0Uuhvn5DUKVB05BKC0Aw30uX3Zo+wY3s04lW l7tsS9PfguhONFF+YKtzQd555azaRSfBxxCHcvYCE2WzOlrMEkKHP/SwYE4BfvANtqeQ ofadtwJt44SVqsWzgR6eolaT21vusejx9wkEM= Received: by 10.224.183.6 with SMTP id ce6mr5167qab.50.1315450125613; Wed, 07 Sep 2011 19:48:45 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.224.219.8 with SMTP id hs8ls4387070qab.1.gmail; Wed, 07 Sep 2011 19:48:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.224.217.138 with SMTP id hm10mr131343qab.24.1315450125025; Wed, 07 Sep 2011 19:48:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.224.217.138 with SMTP id hm10mr131342qab.24.1315450125013; Wed, 07 Sep 2011 19:48:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.122]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id i2si1382938qcv.1.2011.09.07.19.48.43; Wed, 07 Sep 2011 19:48:43 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 75.180.132.122 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@phma.optus.nu) client-ip=75.180.132.122; X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=clOQl2Kon9ihL0vqe5S6shCOWnQ8eDPHG/StQ1omz74= c=1 sm=0 a=6ti_TD8eFm8A:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=Q9fys5e9bTEA:10 a=9o99xeNKNPYSmM5t9x5+TQ==:17 a=ASfMx6qWAAAA:8 a=wKKtH9ONcTteqFe77VsA:9 a=2Yx8-0ITzYY3y_2pn-8A:7 a=PUjeQqilurYA:10 a=3fjgCeHw7doA:10 a=9o99xeNKNPYSmM5t9x5+TQ==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 75.176.118.168 Received: from [75.176.118.168] ([75.176.118.168:35858] helo=chausie) by cdptpa-oedge01.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id A5/B0-15370-B0D286E4; Thu, 08 Sep 2011 02:48:43 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chausie (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E1D31A171 for ; Wed, 7 Sep 2011 22:48:43 -0400 (EDT) From: Pierre Abbat To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] tosmabru test Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2011 22:48:40 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.6 (enterprise 0.20070907.709405) References: <0016e6d3878a9d815804ac578789@google.com> <201109071512.38841.phma@phma.optus.nu> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <201109072248.41429.phma@phma.optus.nu> X-Original-Sender: phma@phma.optus.nu X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 75.180.132.122 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@phma.optus.nu) smtp.mail=phma@phma.optus.nu Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline On Wednesday 07 September 2011 19:36:12 Michael Turniansky wrote: > From googling it, I see that you are using "claselkre" to mean "Mane", > your long hair group. But, I have to ask... why "claselkre"? You are a = se > ke clani kerfa, not a clani se kerfa. (Well, maybe you are long. I'm no= t > sure.) I mean, sure, you can assign the places however you wish, but it > does seem to be the wrong underlying tanru) "Mane" isn't the name of the group. One of the forums on the site is the Ma= ne=20 Forum. mi na clani to mitre li 1.5 toi but my hair is past waist when stretched. S= ome=20 people at the meet had hair down to, or past, their knees. The pictures are= =20 at http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/showthread.php?t=3D77654, but you ca= n=20 see them only if you're a member. On Wednesday 07 September 2011 20:11:51 Jorge Llamb=EDas wrote: > The test to determine whether a given string is a valid fu'ivla or not > is not that complicated: > > (1) check that it doesn't violate phonotactics (i.e. it doesn't > contain any impermissible clusters). > > (2) check that its only stressed syllable is the penultimate one, that > it ends in a vowel and that it does not contain any "y". > > (3) check that it doesn't consist of a string of rafsi, and that > adding CV in front of it does not turn it into a string of rafsi. > > (4) check that if you remove one or more cmavo forms from the left, > you don't end up with nothing, a gismu, a lujvo or something that > passes (1), (2) and (3). All brivla have to have their second consonant either in a cluster or follo= wed=20 by "y" and a consonant. Is this implied by the four rules? What=20 about "soiombo" and "peuence"? Do you consider "aierne" or "a'ierne"=20 or "ai'erne" valid? Pierre --=20 .i toljundi do .ibabo mi'afra tu'a do .ibabo damba do .ibabo do jinga .icu'u la ma'atman. --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den.