On Tue, Nov 1, 2011 at 7:25 AM, Se= bastian Fr=F6jd <so.cool.ogi@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi Robin,
uicai.a'u. it sounds reall= y wonderful having two baby girls at the same time, and also learning them = lojban!!
I would love to contribute in whatever way I can for you to raise your girl= s in a loving and developing way.
Although my ability to communicate in lojban is very limited, I think I can= invent new words, especially in the subject of childcare and pedagogy, sin= ce I'm both a pedagog and psychology-sociology student. Personally I do= n't like the concept of lojbanists using too much fu'ivla, so it wo= uld be much better I think using (scientific) adequate lujvo.
I've been thinking that if I someday will have another child (I've = got a 8-year old daughter), I definitely would like to learn him/her lojban= .
So some basic things I've been thinking about:
- Bilingualists = seem to develop language slightly slower, but on the other side they perfor= m better on some cognitive tasks, like creative thinking. Most important th= ing is to be consistent, that the same person use the same language under t= he same condition.

- Sign language can stimulate early language development. The ideal wou= ld be a lojban-based (simplified?) sign language, but since no such thing e= xists today maybe "baby signs" would be a pretty simple way of co= mmunicating with infant as complementary to lojban. Other famous sign langu= ages are american sign language, british sign language, swedish sign langua= ge, and in fact every geographic region got their own version.
Another benefit of sign language is that it decrease the child's frustr= ation in situations where the child is trying to express it's basic nee= ds with the risk of being misunderstood by the adult.

- I don't = know how much you have thought about gender issues, but I think no parent w= ould like their children to have fewer chances to attain success. Unfortuna= tely the "sex-typing" phenomena ("which involves treating ot= hers differently based on whether they are female or male") tends to f= orm children into a gender-role that eventually will lead girls into a lowe= r status and chance of less success compared to men under the same conditio= ns. I think the gender-neutral potential of lojban together with a gender-c= ritical thinking could be a good tool to help your daughters toward self-re= alization.

- Other good stimulants for infants are massage, baby swimming, natural= materials of good quality, good nutrition (organic?), qualitative sensory = inputs like warm colors in the environment and classical music (Mozart stim= ulates intellect and reggae is the favourite music for the baby to sleep ac= cording to some research), adults that can act as good behavorial models (t= hey do as you do, not as you say to them) and of course a lot of love!. Not= really a lojban topic, but anyway I'm just trying to give you some goo= d advice! Good luck!

-jongausib

"Meet the child with reverence, raise it with lo= ve and let it go in freedom" - Rudolf Steiner

2011/11/1 Robin Lee Powell = <rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org>

I have recently had the pleasure to witness the birth of my two
amazing girl infants.

The mother is permitting me (it was a requirement of my helping her
have kids, actually) to natter at them in Lojban, with the intention
of them learning it as a language in the usual way (i.e. by having
it around, rather than by explicit teaching). =A0This will be a bit
wonky as I'm the only person in the household who speaks it, but
it'll be interesting, at least.

Now, having said that, while I'm pretty good with the language, I
have the same sorts of problems as everybody else: I get stuck
saying things because I don't have the vocabulary or because of lack of idiom.

This sort of thing takes a fair bit of effort to overcome (I've been known to spend multiple hours creating a new word, for example), and
I don't have a lot of spare effort available, because, as previously mentioned, I'm *raising infant twins*. =A0This limits my available
time. =A0Pretty extremely.

It is likely that the Lojban community has some pretty strong
interest in helping out with this project. =A0:)

So, if you'd like to help, here's what I'd like:

1. =A0An indication here if you'd be willing to help with vocab/idiom issues. =A0My ideal here would be that I send a post here (perhaps
with "jboverba" in the subject always?) with "I tried to say= "why is
your lip quivering?" today and failed" or so, and y'all figur= e it
out, and I ignore the thread, and then someone emails me directly
with the result. =A0Knowing that there's a pool of people willing to help there would be lovely.

2. =A0Right now my sleep schedule has been modified to accomodate the
household's needs, and this is likely to last for a few weeks. =A0In particular, I have some dead time between about midnight and about
06:00 US/Pacific time. =A0People being around to chat with in Lojban
would be lovely. =A0Ideally, be on IRC and then we'll skype. =A0I don&#= 39;t
necessarily need people to do any talking, I just need more practice
at emitting at full speed. =A0If the other person understands me, so
much the better. =A0:)

3. =A0The birth story is somewhat unusual and interesting. =A0Would you
be interested in hearing it, in Lojban? =A0I was thinking of doing it
on IRC, so it could be preserved for posterity; would someone be
willing to turn it into something readable? =A0I would need a variety
of vocab, in particular words for "labour" and "labour contr= action"
and "cervical dilation". =A0fu'ivla seem like decent choices = there.
Or, hell, cmevla. =A0We don't use cmevla enough for highly technical things around here.

I think that's it.

-Robin

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