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[173.13.139.236]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id u7si6562296pbn.2.2011.12.01.00.46.00 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 01 Dec 2011 00:46:00 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of nobody@stodi.digitalkingdom.org designates 173.13.139.236 as permitted sender) client-ip=173.13.139.236; Received: from nobody by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1RW2HH-0007yB-GK for lojban@googlegroups.com; Thu, 01 Dec 2011 00:45:59 -0800 Received: from mail-lpp01m010-f53.google.com ([209.85.215.53]:41657) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1RW2H9-0007xz-Ox for lojban-list@lojban.org; Thu, 01 Dec 2011 00:45:58 -0800 Received: by lahl5 with SMTP id l5so43737lah.40 for ; Thu, 01 Dec 2011 00:45:43 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.152.134.101 with SMTP id pj5mr3925743lab.1.1322729143761; Thu, 01 Dec 2011 00:45:43 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.152.45.35 with HTTP; Thu, 1 Dec 2011 00:45:43 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20111130173647.GO8581@stodi.digitalkingdom.org> References: <20111130173647.GO8581@stodi.digitalkingdom.org> Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2011 01:45:43 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Rant (baby related): dasni, taxfu, and all their friends. From: Jonathan Jones To: lojban@googlegroups.com, lojban-list@lojban.org X-Spam-Score: -0.8 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.8 X-Spam_score_int: -7 X-Spam_bar: / Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: eyeonus@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of nobody@stodi.digitalkingdom.org designates 173.13.139.236 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=nobody@stodi.digitalkingdom.org; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d042f9752bf7a7204b303e088 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / --f46d042f9752bf7a7204b303e088 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Assuming we were to rewrite these to include a "worn by ..." place, I'd rather shove it into the x2 and move the current "of material ..." to x3. And, yeah, that's just weird. Who's responsible for this mess? :D Also, cutci is even more annoying, IMO. On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 10:36 AM, Robin Lee Powell < rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org> wrote: > > AFAICT, *NONE* of the clothing words have a place for "being worn > by...". See http://vlasisku.lojban.org/vlasisku/taxfu , wich seems > to list all of them. > > {taxfu} has such a place, but it's ... umm, I'm not sure what that > tense is called; intentional or something?, but it's a place for the > sort of person that *could* wear the thing, not the person that > actually *is* wearing it. > > This means the *only* way to talk about people wearing clothing is > with {dasni}. > > WTF is the point of having place structures if I can't say {mi te > pastu}? > > :P :P :P > > -Robin > > -- > http://singinst.org/ : Our last, best hope for a fantastic future. > Lojban (http://www.lojban.org/): The language in which "this parrot > is dead" is "ti poi spitaki cu morsi", but "this sentence is false" > is "na nei". My personal page: http://www.digitalkingdom.org/rlp/ > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. > > -- mu'o mi'e .aionys. .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. --f46d042f9752bf7a7204b303e088 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Assuming we were to rewrite these to include a "worn by ..." plac= e, I'd rather shove it into the x2 and move the current "of materi= al ..."=A0 to x3.

And, yeah, that's just weird. Who's r= esponsible for this mess? :D

Also, cutci is even more annoying, IMO.

On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 10:36 AM, Robin Lee Powell <= ;rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org= > wrote:

AFAICT, *NONE* of the clothing words have a place for "being worn
by...". =A0See http://vlasisku.lojban.org/vlasisku/taxfu , wich seems=
to list all of them.

{taxfu} has such a place, but it's ... umm, I'm not sure what that<= br> tense is called; intentional or something?, but it's a place for the sort of person that *could* wear the thing, not the person that
actually *is* wearing it.

This means the *only* way to talk about people wearing clothing is
with {dasni}.

WTF is the point of having place structures if I can't say {mi te
pastu}?

:P :P :P

-Robin

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Lojban (http://www.loj= ban.org/): The language in which "this parrot
is dead" is "ti poi spitaki cu morsi", but "this senten= ce is false"
is "na nei". =A0 My personal page: http://www.digitalkingdom.org/rlp/
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