Received: from mail-pw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.160.61]:52456) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1RbdmL-0006du-HA; Fri, 16 Dec 2011 11:49:21 -0800 Received: by pbcc3 with SMTP id c3sf2456812pbc.16 for ; Fri, 16 Dec 2011 11:49:07 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from :date:message-id:subject:to:x-spam-score:x-spam_score :x-spam_score_int:x-spam_bar:sender:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=C9/0+QdxH7Xkyz0pgWlUKmnPvyBPG/jfLOK8vVSZMEc=; b=tXjisZ33UyEwvthVGOILyKipzbPjdNdSNsxZBugCI4NQIRBb5UyrFNDpIJc2UtMWiJ cFuM7oRADE1lR644EmuOCvpBy/rqwQc090aF9gptaPcGt5aNku+1fyXMVy4mzG+OrxKp f+StlHICGFMrrVdKGAzG2+7V8BQsnIZizK5MU= Received: by 10.68.75.130 with SMTP id c2mr2527795pbw.10.1324064943735; Fri, 16 Dec 2011 11:49:03 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.68.156.102 with SMTP id wd6ls15945793pbb.2.gmail; Fri, 16 Dec 2011 11:49:03 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.68.189.233 with SMTP id gl9mr9689212pbc.8.1324064943119; Fri, 16 Dec 2011 11:49:03 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.68.189.233 with SMTP id gl9mr9689211pbc.8.1324064943084; Fri, 16 Dec 2011 11:49:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from stodi.digitalkingdom.org (mail.digitalkingdom.org. [173.13.139.236]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id n6si11676671pbg.2.2011.12.16.11.49.03 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 16 Dec 2011 11:49:03 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of nobody@stodi.digitalkingdom.org designates 173.13.139.236 as permitted sender) client-ip=173.13.139.236; Received: from nobody by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1RbdmA-0006d3-8e for lojban@googlegroups.com; Fri, 16 Dec 2011 11:49:02 -0800 Received: from mail-gy0-f181.google.com ([209.85.160.181]:65249) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1Rbdm0-0006ci-Gx for lojban-list@lojban.org; Fri, 16 Dec 2011 11:49:01 -0800 Received: by ghrr14 with SMTP id r14so2980349ghr.40 for ; Fri, 16 Dec 2011 11:48:46 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.101.117.13 with SMTP id u13mr4365555anm.73.1324064926194; Fri, 16 Dec 2011 11:48:46 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.236.4.133 with HTTP; Fri, 16 Dec 2011 11:48:25 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20111216193101.GG22027@stodi.digitalkingdom.org> References: <20111216193101.GG22027@stodi.digitalkingdom.org> From: Luke Bergen Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2011 14:48:25 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Mini-rant: mutce and traji must die. To: lojban@googlegroups.com, lojban-list@lojban.org X-Spam-Score: -0.1 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.1 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: lukeabergen@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of nobody@stodi.digitalkingdom.org designates 173.13.139.236 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=nobody@stodi.digitalkingdom.org; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001636ed782795dc7f04b43ae369 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / --001636ed782795dc7f04b43ae369 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 So just for a quick clarification. I saw the subject line and cried a little inside. the x3 of mutce and traji must die .iepei On Fri, Dec 16, 2011 at 2:31 PM, Robin Lee Powell < rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org> wrote: > > The "towards extreme/direction X" is seriously the worst idea > *ever*, for the simple reason that you can get *exactly the same > effect* by throwing a {to'e} in the {ka} place. It's an extra place > to memorize, and it makes understanding the meaning of the word > *very* confusing. > > "mutce" doesn't actually mean "very", it means "very, or very not, > or very orthogonal to, or, well, just about anything really". > > mi mutce lo ka nelci lo grute kei lo ka milxe > > And that's not even me *trying* to do messed up shit with that > place. > > All of this would be acceptable, except that it keeps *infecting* > *lujvo*. > > nelrai - x1 most loves x2... or most hates them, or is basically > indifferent, or thinks they are blue, or who knows? > > nolrai - x1 is a king ... or whatever the opposite of a king is?, or > who knows? > > These places must die! > > -Robin > > -- > http://singinst.org/ : Our last, best hope for a fantastic future. > Lojban (http://www.lojban.org/): The language in which "this parrot > is dead" is "ti poi spitaki cu morsi", but "this sentence is false" > is "na nei". My personal page: http://www.digitalkingdom.org/rlp/ > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. --001636ed782795dc7f04b43ae369 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable So just for a quick clarification. =A0I saw the subject line and cried a li= ttle inside. =A0

the x3 of mutce and traji must die .iep= ei

On Fri, Dec 16, 2011 at 2:31 PM, Robin= Lee Powell <rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org> wrote:

The "towards extreme/direction X" is seriously the worst idea
*ever*, for the simple reason that you can get *exactly the same
effect* by throwing a {to'e} in the {ka} place. =A0It's an extra pl= ace
to memorize, and it makes understanding the meaning of the word
*very* confusing.

"mutce" doesn't actually mean "very", it means &quo= t;very, or very not,
or very orthogonal to, or, well, just about anything really".

mi mutce lo ka nelci lo grute kei lo ka milxe

And that's not even me *trying* to do messed up shit with that
place.

All of this would be acceptable, except that it keeps *infecting*
*lujvo*.

nelrai - x1 most loves x2... or most hates them, or is basically
indifferent, or thinks they are blue, or who knows?

nolrai - x1 is a king ... or whatever the opposite of a king is?, or
who knows?

These places must die!

-Robin

--
http://singinst.org/= : =A0Our last, best hope for a fantastic future.
Lojban (http://www.loj= ban.org/): The language in which "this parrot
is dead" is "ti poi spitaki cu morsi", but "this senten= ce is false"
is "na nei". =A0 My personal page: http://www.digitalkingdom.org/rlp/
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