Received: from mail-pz0-f61.google.com ([209.85.210.61]:52745) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1RbdsV-0006nQ-Sh; Fri, 16 Dec 2011 11:55:39 -0800 Received: by dajx4 with SMTP id x4sf3245511daj.16 for ; Fri, 16 Dec 2011 11:55:30 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from :date:message-id:subject:to:x-spam-score:x-spam_score :x-spam_score_int:x-spam_bar:sender:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=6mW0NC6s3TRq07KWZKV10dqEagk2yvA3u732CsG3IgA=; b=vsbd0gteNVpaCo6XkkCMIaUAIp8P4UgQ6zcFVk+CEXH6/F1JP3F3qO+jd6siKNTocI yFnbaNyaLE4ibmBmAVaLjI3MzxdvxHhnst9wtIn7mv6An5ifpD2Vjl97hjoQSXSnVpmm HgNG3wixP8yZY9W4yrOnkW1OwkH+URzWDed1Q= Received: by 10.68.74.34 with SMTP id q2mr2570404pbv.2.1324065325926; Fri, 16 Dec 2011 11:55:25 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.68.118.41 with SMTP id kj9ls16009416pbb.1.gmail; Fri, 16 Dec 2011 11:55:25 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.68.190.2 with SMTP id gm2mr9662861pbc.4.1324065325222; Fri, 16 Dec 2011 11:55:25 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.68.190.2 with SMTP id gm2mr9662860pbc.4.1324065325204; Fri, 16 Dec 2011 11:55:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from stodi.digitalkingdom.org (mail.digitalkingdom.org. [173.13.139.236]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id z2si11695140pbn.1.2011.12.16.11.55.25 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 16 Dec 2011 11:55:25 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of nobody@stodi.digitalkingdom.org designates 173.13.139.236 as permitted sender) client-ip=173.13.139.236; Received: from nobody by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1RbdsJ-0006nF-QE for lojban@googlegroups.com; Fri, 16 Dec 2011 11:55:24 -0800 Received: from mail-yw0-f53.google.com ([209.85.213.53]:42509) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1RbdsC-0006n2-0h for lojban-list@lojban.org; Fri, 16 Dec 2011 11:55:23 -0800 Received: by yhjj52 with SMTP id j52so3505534yhj.40 for ; Fri, 16 Dec 2011 11:55:09 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.236.135.77 with SMTP id t53mr14099093yhi.49.1324065309103; Fri, 16 Dec 2011 11:55:09 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.236.4.133 with HTTP; Fri, 16 Dec 2011 11:54:48 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20111216191725.GC22027@stodi.digitalkingdom.org> References: <20111216191725.GC22027@stodi.digitalkingdom.org> From: Luke Bergen Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2011 14:54:48 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Mini-rant: gismu place consistency To: lojban@googlegroups.com, lojban-list@lojban.org X-Spam-Score: -0.1 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.1 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: lukeabergen@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of nobody@stodi.digitalkingdom.org designates 173.13.139.236 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=nobody@stodi.digitalkingdom.org; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf300e51bb68959e04b43afab6 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / --20cf300e51bb68959e04b43afab6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hmmm, what about words like {vecnu} where the audience seems less important than the direct object? Or is that my lingual bias coming through? On Fri, Dec 16, 2011 at 2:17 PM, Robin Lee Powell < rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org> wrote: > > If I had it to do over again, every gismu with an agent place would > have it as the first place. Every gismu with an audience or second > agent of any type would have it as the second place. There would > probably be several other regularities as well. > > I've been saying {manci} and {melbi} to my babies *a lot*, and I > *still* have trouble remembering that it's {do melbi mi} and {mi > manci do}. GRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH. > > -Robin > > -- > http://singinst.org/ : Our last, best hope for a fantastic future. > Lojban (http://www.lojban.org/): The language in which "this parrot > is dead" is "ti poi spitaki cu morsi", but "this sentence is false" > is "na nei". My personal page: http://www.digitalkingdom.org/rlp/ > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. --20cf300e51bb68959e04b43afab6 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hmmm, what about words like {vecnu} where the audience seems less important= than the direct object? =A0Or is that my lingual bias coming through?
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On Fri, Dec 16, 2011 at 2:17 PM, Robin Lee Po= well <r= lpowell@digitalkingdom.org> wrote:

If I had it to do over again, every gismu with an agent place would
have it as the first place. =A0Every gismu with an audience or second
agent of any type would have it as the second place. =A0There would
probably be several other regularities as well.

I've been saying {manci} and {melbi} to my babies *a lot*, and I
*still* have trouble remembering that it's {do melbi mi} and {mi
manci do}. =A0GRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH.

-Robin

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Lojban (http://www.loj= ban.org/): The language in which "this parrot
is dead" is "ti poi spitaki cu morsi", but "this senten= ce is false"
is "na nei". =A0 My personal page: http://www.digitalkingdom.org/rlp/
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