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[173.13.139.236]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id p7si7363306pbq.0.2012.02.24.11.55.32 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 24 Feb 2012 11:55:32 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of nobody@stodi.digitalkingdom.org designates 173.13.139.236 as permitted sender) client-ip=173.13.139.236; Received: from nobody by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1S11Ep-0004K0-Bs for lojban@googlegroups.com; Fri, 24 Feb 2012 11:55:31 -0800 Received: from mail-bk0-f53.google.com ([209.85.214.53]:65217) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1S11Ef-0004Jm-Dq for lojban-list@lojban.org; Fri, 24 Feb 2012 11:55:30 -0800 Received: by bkcjg9 with SMTP id jg9so533824bkc.40 for ; Fri, 24 Feb 2012 11:55:13 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 10.204.145.85 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.204.145.85; Received: from mr.google.com ([10.204.145.85]) by 10.204.145.85 with SMTP id c21mr1833975bkv.106.1330113313698 (num_hops = 1); Fri, 24 Feb 2012 11:55:13 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.145.85 with SMTP id c21mr1524837bkv.106.1330113313597; Fri, 24 Feb 2012 11:55:13 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.204.60.133 with HTTP; Fri, 24 Feb 2012 11:55:13 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20120224193228.GH30611@stodi.digitalkingdom.org> References: <20120224193228.GH30611@stodi.digitalkingdom.org> Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2012 14:55:13 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Diplomacy as Lojban proficiency test. From: Michael Turniansky To: lojban@googlegroups.com, lojban-list@lojban.org X-Spam-Score: -0.1 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.1 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: mturniansky@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of nobody@stodi.digitalkingdom.org designates 173.13.139.236 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=nobody@stodi.digitalkingdom.org; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0015175925689169d304b9bb23f8 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / --0015175925689169d304b9bb23f8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Except I've always disliked that game :-/ (And I own over 300 board games). Ah, well. Might have to bite the bullet for the good of the jbocecmu --gejyspa On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 2:32 PM, Robin Lee Powell < rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org> wrote: > > So we've started a Diplomacy game ( > http://www.webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=80849 ). Diplomacy is > a game with extremely simple rules, where winning the game is based > more-or-less entirely on your ability to negotiate with the other > players (and then betray them at the best time :D). > > I think this is a very good format for demonstrating proficiency, in > a manner similar to my commentary earlier about "if you can figure > out co-operative puzzles, you are competent". I imagine that > whether or not you can win at diplomacy with turns of a given length > says quite a bit about your proficiency with Lojban. Turns of, say, > two minutes long would push your Lojban ability to the limit, I > imagine. > > -Robin > > -- > http://singinst.org/ : Our last, best hope for a fantastic future. > .i ko na cpedu lo nu stidi vau loi jbopre .i danfu lu na go'i li'u .e > lu go'i li'u .i ji'a go'i lu na'e go'i li'u .e lu go'i na'i li'u .e > lu no'e go'i li'u .e lu to'e go'i li'u .e lu lo mamta be do cu sofybakni > li'u > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. 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=A0 Except I've always disliked that game :-/ (And I o= wn over 300 board games). =A0Ah, well. =A0Might have to bite the bullet for= the good of the jbocecmu
=A0 =A0 =A0--gejyspa


<= div class=3D"gmail_quote"> On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 2:32 PM, Robin Lee Powell <rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org= > wrote:

So we've started a Diplomacy game (
http://www.webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=3D80849 ). =A0Dipl= omacy is
a game with extremely simple rules, where winning the game is based
more-or-less entirely on your ability to negotiate with the other
players (and then betray them at the best time :D).

I think this is a very good format for demonstrating proficiency, in
a manner similar to my commentary earlier about "if you can figure
out co-operative puzzles, you are competent". =A0I imagine that
whether or not you can win at diplomacy with turns of a given length
says quite a bit about your proficiency with Lojban. =A0Turns of, say,
two minutes long would push your Lojban ability to the limit, I
imagine.

-Robin

--
http://singinst.org/= : =A0Our last, best hope for a fantastic future.
.i ko na cpedu lo nu stidi vau loi jbopre .i danfu lu na go'i li'u = .e
lu go'i li'u .i ji'a go'i lu na'e go'i li'u .e = lu go'i na'i li'u .e
lu no'e go'i li'u .e lu to'e go'i li'u .e lu lo mam= ta be do cu sofybakni li'u

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