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To: lojban@googlegroups.com, lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: Re: [lojban] Helping with spam on lojban.org (cizyprijev , najrut, please read) Message-ID: <20120608174337.GQ9665@sunflowerriver.org> Mail-Followup-To: lojban@googlegroups.com, lojban-list@lojban.org References: <20120607172601.GX24040@stodi.digitalkingdom.org> <20120608085346.GO24040@stodi.digitalkingdom.org> <201206080827.55352.phma@phma.optus.nu> <20120608141538.GP9665@sunflowerriver.org> <20120608170735.GX24040@stodi.digitalkingdom.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20120608170735.GX24040@stodi.digitalkingdom.org> X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQl8UXunnICqAN1bZrCmPjYxT6/RIjZRVozi3fPznWn0Bl1+Lx9FjQq14wSufkDIiCIkSmdL X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: alyn.post@lodockikumazvati.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of nobody@stodi.digitalkingdom.org designates 173.13.139.236 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=nobody@stodi.digitalkingdom.org Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / On Fri, Jun 08, 2012 at 10:07:36AM -0700, Robin Lee Powell wrote: > On Fri, Jun 08, 2012 at 08:15:14AM -0600, .alyn.post. wrote: > > > > Wikipedia likely has a greater need for a 'default-open' policy > > than lojban.org, but I do think the ban-hammer should be a last > > resort, with prevention and development of better cleanup tools > > our higher priority. > > Fantastic. When do you start? :D > When you start running real wiki software, of course. I apologize for my overly broad language above. I know this community suffers from having too many cooks. I know what works for my energy level and time availability, and that's whitelisting accounts. As that defines *where* I participate as much as how I do, lojban.org may be too large for me to be useful. It was presumptuous of me to assume my experience was prescriptive. -Alan -- .i ma'a lo bradi cu penmi gi'e du -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.