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On Thursday, June 21, 2012 11:01:13 AM UTC+4, Escape Landsome wrote:
>
> > Stop being an asshole. We all know that Lojban has problems. You're=20
> harping=20
> > on this like you expect everybody to drop everything and say, [SNIP]=20
> > and you can stop bleeding the wound.=20
>
> You don't need to be blunt.=20
>
> You react like a believer whose faith is attacked.=20
>
> In any case, I don't attack YOU, nor even your "faith", but would you=20
> say that a man that would complain to Russell about problems with the=20
> set y =3D {x | x =E2=88=89 x} would be "an asshole" ?=20
>
> Well, he would be if you take the things too much emotionally, but I=20
> rather think he would be a great scientist.=20
>
> Here I point the necessity of adapting the mechanism of redundancy in=20
> lojbanic communication.   There IS some problem.   The fact that=20
> Natlangs do have some glimpses of this problem too is not relevant,=20
> because in most case this concerns pairs of concepts very near such as=20
> "ran"/"run" where the unguessable feature is [PAST]/[PRESENT].   But=20
> here so'V =3D QUANTITY =3D { all, none, many, a few ... } is A WHOLE=20
> PARADIGM.=20
>

So what is your suggestion?
Should we perform a scrutiny of  all cmavo and think how each selmaho=20
should sound like?
What about gismu?
What about lujvo (where low signal-to-noise ratio may also be important)?

May be you already have something specific in mind?

>
> It's up to you to consider I overlook that, but I tend to think you=20
> are too much emotionally involved in your reaction.   Ought to be more=20
> scientifically-minded...=20
>

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On Thursday, June 21, 2012 11:01:13 AM UTC+4, Escape Landsome wrote:<blockq=
uote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0;margin-left: 0.8ex;border-lef=
t: 1px #ccc solid;padding-left: 1ex;">&gt; Stop being an asshole. We all kn=
ow that Lojban has problems. You're harping
<br>&gt; on this like you expect everybody to drop everything and say, [SNI=
P]
<br>&gt; and you can stop bleeding the wound.
<br>
<br>You don't need to be blunt.
<br>
<br>You react like a believer whose faith is attacked.
<br>
<br>In any case, I don't attack YOU, nor even your "faith", but would you
<br>say that a man that would complain to Russell about problems with the
<br>set y =3D {x | x =E2=88=89 x} would be "an asshole" ?
<br>
<br>Well, he would be if you take the things too much emotionally, but I
<br>rather think he would be a great scientist.
<br>
<br>Here I point the necessity of adapting the mechanism of redundancy in
<br>lojbanic communication. &nbsp; There IS some problem. &nbsp; The fact t=
hat
<br>Natlangs do have some glimpses of this problem too is not relevant,
<br>because in most case this concerns pairs of concepts very near such as
<br>"ran"/"run" where the unguessable feature is [PAST]/[PRESENT]. &nbsp; B=
ut
<br>here so'V =3D QUANTITY =3D { all, none, many, a few ... } is A WHOLE
<br>PARADIGM.
<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>So what is your suggestion?</div><div>=
Should we perform a scrutiny of &nbsp;all cmavo and think how each selmaho =
should sound like?</div><div>What about gismu?</div><div>What about lujvo (=
where low signal-to-noise ratio may also be important)?</div><div><br></div=
><div>May be you already have something specific in mind?</div><blockquote =
class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0;margin-left: 0.8ex;border-left: 1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left: 1ex;">
<br>It's up to you to consider I overlook that, but I tend to think you
<br>are too much emotionally involved in your reaction. &nbsp; Ought to be =
more
<br>scientifically-minded...
<br></blockquote>

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