Received: from mail-yw0-f57.google.com ([209.85.213.57]:45691) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1Smpxy-0000I0-V8; Thu, 05 Jul 2012 10:36:02 -0700 Received: by yhr47 with SMTP id 47sf9951868yhr.12 for ; Thu, 05 Jul 2012 10:35:40 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-spam-score:x-spam_score :x-spam_score_int:x-spam_bar:sender:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=Q38I/C4tNPrPXLCsygnVs+cx5d8Oj/bK20iyT39o8X4=; b=lhbRHr3yUOqr0kjbcK+dS/y16nmg7/eA7rmiXHrPn9wEQ5niGCna9Q8XvuIlEUruMp cJtawXvZNCPDlDGJxuqRK1weV0wuAgwzoYEULkl3F0Cl5f4lR6AuQIjE8hhXZhRoPLlP Hqf4EkYUerArcCHSstxpuPdlPrQVyF+mkidT8= Received: by 10.50.77.234 with SMTP id v10mr177722igw.2.1341509740415; Thu, 05 Jul 2012 10:35:40 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.50.163.42 with SMTP id yf10ls383405igb.1.gmail; Thu, 05 Jul 2012 10:35:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.68.228.227 with SMTP id sl3mr10443442pbc.5.1341509739705; Thu, 05 Jul 2012 10:35:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.68.228.227 with SMTP id sl3mr10443437pbc.5.1341509739584; Thu, 05 Jul 2012 10:35:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from stodi.digitalkingdom.org (mail.digitalkingdom.org. [173.13.139.236]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id oh7si1873707pbb.2.2012.07.05.10.35.39 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 05 Jul 2012 10:35:39 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of nobody@stodi.digitalkingdom.org designates 173.13.139.236 as permitted sender) client-ip=173.13.139.236; Received: from nobody by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1Smpxp-0000Hm-Qj for lojban@googlegroups.com; Thu, 05 Jul 2012 10:35:37 -0700 Received: from mail-lb0-f181.google.com ([209.85.217.181]:45169) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1Smpxh-0000HT-Eb for lojban-list@lojban.org; Thu, 05 Jul 2012 10:35:37 -0700 Received: by lbbgk8 with SMTP id gk8so12855031lbb.40 for ; Thu, 05 Jul 2012 10:35:19 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.152.144.168 with SMTP id sn8mr27067173lab.1.1341509719386; Thu, 05 Jul 2012 10:35:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.152.46.36 with HTTP; Thu, 5 Jul 2012 10:35:19 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20120705172307.GC4293@stodi.digitalkingdom.org> References: <20120705172307.GC4293@stodi.digitalkingdom.org> Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2012 11:35:19 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] baby words: position/shape, or something. From: Jonathan Jones To: lojban@googlegroups.com, lojban-list@lojban.org X-Spam-Score: -0.1 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.1 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: eyeonus@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of nobody@stodi.digitalkingdom.org designates 173.13.139.236 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=nobody@stodi.digitalkingdom.org; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e89a8f234687496aa204c41892e3 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / --e89a8f234687496aa204c41892e3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I'm not certain we can have a general word for that. For instance, regarding going from sitting to crawling, ignoring anything besides a change in orientation, we could use carna, but that really doesn't fit for anything else. On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 11:23 AM, Robin Lee Powell < rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org> wrote: > > The sentiment was "Yay! You changed position from sitting to > crawling! Well done!", and I just got completely stuck; how do we > talk about the difference between a person sitting and a person > crawling? Or the difference between a convertible with the top up > or the top down? Or the options for a Transformer toy? > > That is: changes in the position of the parts of an object that > change nothing intrinsic about it? I've run into this a bunch of > time when wanting to talk about them thrashing around and stuff, but > I've cheated and used sutff like "desk" and "dansu", but that's not > going to cut the mustard here. > > Help? > > -Robin > > -- > http://singinst.org/ : Our last, best hope for a fantastic future. > .i ko na cpedu lo nu stidi vau loi jbopre .i danfu lu na go'i li'u .e > lu go'i li'u .i ji'a go'i lu na'e go'i li'u .e lu go'i na'i li'u .e > lu no'e go'i li'u .e lu to'e go'i li'u .e lu lo mamta be do cu sofybakni > li'u > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. > > -- mu'o mi'e .aionys. .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. --e89a8f234687496aa204c41892e3 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'm not certain we can have a general word for that. For instance, rega= rding going from sitting to crawling, ignoring anything besides a change in= orientation, we could use carna, but that really doesn't fit for anyth= ing else.

On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 11:23 AM, Robin Lee P= owell <rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org> wrote:

The sentiment was "Yay! You changed position from sitting to
crawling! =A0Well done!", and I just got completely stuck; how do we talk about the difference between a person sitting and a person
crawling? =A0Or the difference between a convertible with the top up
or the top down? =A0Or the options for a Transformer toy?

That is: changes in the position of the parts of an object that
change nothing intrinsic about it? =A0I've run into this a bunch of
time when wanting to talk about them thrashing around and stuff, but
I've cheated and used sutff like "desk" and "dansu"= , but that's not
going to cut the mustard here.

Help?

-Robin

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http://singinst.org/= : =A0Our last, best hope for a fantastic future.
.i ko na cpedu lo nu stidi vau loi jbopre .i danfu lu na go'i li'u = .e
lu go'i li'u .i ji'a go'i lu na'e go'i li'u .e = lu go'i na'i li'u .e
lu no'e go'i li'u .e lu to'e go'i li'u .e lu lo mam= ta be do cu sofybakni li'u

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