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[173.13.139.236]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id ff2si5417437pad.2.2016.03.02.00.16.58 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 02 Mar 2016 00:16:58 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: softfail (google.com: domain of transitioning and.rosta@gmail.com does not designate 173.13.139.236 as permitted sender) client-ip=173.13.139.236; Received: from nobody by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.86) (envelope-from ) id 1ab1xp-0003i1-Df for lojban@googlegroups.com; Wed, 02 Mar 2016 00:16:57 -0800 Received: from mail-lf0-f50.google.com ([209.85.215.50]:33623) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4.86) (envelope-from ) id 1ab1xh-0003g4-JM for lojban-list@lojban.org; Wed, 02 Mar 2016 00:16:57 -0800 Received: by mail-lf0-f50.google.com with SMTP id v124so36740013lff.0 for ; Wed, 02 Mar 2016 00:16:49 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.25.38.18 with SMTP id m18mr5330652lfm.9.1456906602250; Wed, 02 Mar 2016 00:16:42 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.25.40.193 with HTTP; Wed, 2 Mar 2016 00:16:42 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.25.40.193 with HTTP; Wed, 2 Mar 2016 00:16:42 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2016 08:16:42 +0000 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Pronunciation on "The Crash Course" From: And Rosta To: lojban@googlegroups.com Cc: lojban-list@lojban.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a114103be7f892f052d0c8064 X-Spam-Score: -2.0 (--) X-Spam_score: -2.0 X-Spam_score_int: -19 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Original-Sender: and.rosta@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=softfail (google.com: domain of transitioning and.rosta@gmail.com does not designate 173.13.139.236 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=and.rosta@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Spam-Checked-In-Group: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , X-Spam-Score: -1.6 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.6 X-Spam_score_int: -15 X-Spam_bar: - --001a114103be7f892f052d0c8064 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 On 2 Mar 2016 07:42, "Luke Bergen" wrote: > > Found my way to https://mw.lojban.org/papri/The_Crash_Course_(a_draft) and noticed "ia is pronounced as yu in yummy". Is this true? I thought given the pronunciation of "a" that "ia" would be pronounced more like "yo" as in "yonder" or "beyond". > > I'd think if you wanted to make the "yu" as in "yummy" sound in lojban the closest thing would be "iy" > > Am I wrong in this? You're right for North Americans. The crash course is right for the Southern English and Southern Hemisphereans. Both are wrong, in different ways, for the Northern English and the Irish and the Scots. Any attempt to characterize phonetic realization of Lojban phonemes in terms of English words is likely to engender confusions like this. 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On 2 Mar 2016 07:42, "Luke Bergen" <lukeabergen@gmail.com> wrote:
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> Found my way to https://mw.lojban.org/papri/The_Crash_Course_(a_draft) and= noticed "ia is pronounced as yu in yummy". Is this true? I thoug= ht given the pronunciation of "a" that "ia" would be pr= onounced more like "yo" as in "yonder" or "beyond&= quot;.
>
> I'd think if you wanted to make the "yu" as in "yum= my" sound in lojban the closest thing would be "iy"
>
> Am I wrong in this?

You're right for North Americans. The crash course is ri= ght for the Southern English and Southern Hemisphereans. Both are wrong, in= different ways, for the Northern English and the Irish and the Scots.

Any attempt to characterize phonetic realization of Lojban p= honemes in terms of English words is likely to engender confusions like thi= s. In 2016 you can use IPA linked to Wikipedia, or IPA with embedded sound = files, or just sound files.

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