Received: from localhost ([::1]:44609 helo=stodi.digitalkingdom.org) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1XtWdL-0006Zt-45; Tue, 25 Nov 2014 23:03:27 -0800 Received: from mail-wi0-f177.google.com ([209.85.212.177]:55334) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1XtWdG-0006ZQ-QV for llg-members@lojban.org; Tue, 25 Nov 2014 23:03:24 -0800 Received: by mail-wi0-f177.google.com with SMTP id l15so3866280wiw.16 for ; Tue, 25 Nov 2014 23:03:15 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=IO6F3dpcT49IuRd5JmWbpoN6Af6zNVxGtJN826OGk1E=; b=HMhDkGSBJG16glzZ2pSBbYW/GytmRKoqa+anyR7RuW2dKv5OxrzHJPCcKxGr5LWldp hI33jtyt8bhy65B95qcWm4Z92MYZb62ALAUOj0lRGB0m2jw4pOuFWTLqWNQLYuHf1V3X C9HaPgeiem/AwfmBC8zJnAhFiLGsmla8YvjJt1/SkHgdBJI1hugMOdCmXfMnPoJRcAf9 CqRwJ7h/XoYJwrWceXZ3zNJGozoono49KjdTcFZsai+Ogugq3yO7Zo3+6xPnI9lPhGJr d41fpPerHyIQZGbLvx6JnMjkmdZ3CY4cHCbqhUPCYU6NLrE4cuc77/sTBsDICh2YVjJW cSWg== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.180.87.72 with SMTP id v8mr39435243wiz.22.1416985395729; Tue, 25 Nov 2014 23:03:15 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.194.87.229 with HTTP; Tue, 25 Nov 2014 23:03:15 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <54744A53.7040501@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2014 10:03:15 +0300 Message-ID: From: Gleki Arxokuna To: llg-members@lojban.org X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.0 X-Spam_score_int: -9 X-Spam_bar: - Subject: Re: [Llg-members] 2014 Annual Meeting - Motion to create a Project Manager position. X-BeenThere: llg-members@lojban.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: llg-members@lojban.org Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============6430237727301590443==" Errors-To: llg-members-bounces@lojban.org --===============6430237727301590443== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d0444019c2a18cd0508bd9f07 --f46d0444019c2a18cd0508bd9f07 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable 2014-11-26 0:40 GMT+03:00 Ali Sajid Imami : > =E2=80=8BHere's the list of tasks the officer would perform: > > - =E2=80=8BTake care of all the social media options to consolidate th= eir > control under LLG. > > *mw.lojban.org wiki (who is admin - a rhetorical question, it's installed on Robin's vrici) *twitter.com/uitki (a news feed automatically showing all recent changes in mw.lojban.org wiki, Gleki has access to the account) *https://twitter.com/LojbanHQ (at least Gleki has access, as of now probably the main news feed in Twitter apart from changes in mw.lojban.org) *https://twitter.com/lojban - someone took this account (who is the owner?= ) *https://www.facebook.com/LojbanHQ (also shows changes in mw.lojban.org, at least Gleki has access). *IRC chat (who is the owner?) * thelogicallanguagegroup@gmail.com and its Google+/ Youtube account. (at least Gleki has access) * https://www.facebook.com/groups/lojban/ (several admins including Ali, Robin, la tsani, la gleki, la selpa'i) * reddit.com/r/lojban/ (the admins are: JimDabell MattArnold selckiku sarefo shanoxilt hicklc01) * http://www.quora.com/Lojban Not sure if administrating is possible there at all *https://ello.co/lojban - a new social network. Gleki has access to this link and can send invites to others. API is not known, so no automatic posting there. *https://vk.com/menli.bangu - a Russian group. Gleki is an admin, but the owner isn't in our control, potentially can do anything. *https://vk.com/lojban - a news feed of mw.lojban,org. under Gleki's control. *https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/lojban (who are the admins?) *https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/lojban-beginners (who are the admins?) May be later I'll list more. The main place of activity is IRC chat #lojban and the mailing list and should be mostly advertised. Facebook, Google+ are all temporary places that IMO ultimately should lead to the IRC chat. I 'm not sure they will last forever. IRC chat is the most active place and only it should be promoted most. > - > - Maintain a list of any and all activities that are happening around > the world. I know That there is a thriving Japanese subcommunity and g= leki > is doing a lot of work in Russia. > - Maintain a list of all projects and a list of who is doing what and > what state each project is in. How many of us know exactly where the C= LL > 1.1 and the Dictionary project are. > - The important bit here is that they will be able to both recruit and > screen volunteers from the community. I have seen many volunteers in t= he > community who want to help, but they can't because there isn't a desig= nated > person to approach. The actual responsibilities are all decentralized = which > makes it difficult for newcomers to contribute. It will also shield ac= tual > workers from people who come on and then disappear. > - Maintain deadlines and road-maps that can be disseminated to the > internet and within the lojban and conlang communities and can be used= to > get more people interested. > > Also imo having a nicely formatted wiki is also important. For more than two years I've been preparing mw.lojban.org (the content has been copied from the tiki last time in April 2013 so by that time the two wikis were identical except in formatting or a lack of it) but since there are more than 2000 pages the work is still not finished. The tiki was out of question due to performance issues. It'd be nice if someone else can join this effort. > - > > The problem is, as I said in the opening post, that right now one of our > biggest problem is that people in charge of all the projects all have day > jobs and all are volunteers. Which hasn't affected their work as much but > it has made it difficult to communicate with others. Which is why a singl= e > point-of-contact can be beneficial. > > The problem isn't that people aren't engaged: They ARE. It's just that al= l > the material is scattered and the people who want to work have no single > recourse. The fact that we have the community split into mailing list, IR= C > and facebook now doesn't help either. > > > > Regards, > Ali Sajid Imami > CTO > Khabaristan Times > > On Tue, Nov 25, 2014 at 10:48 AM, Matt Arnold > wrote: > >> What tasks would the officer perform, which would address the reasons >> people are not engaged? >> >> -Eppcott >> >> On Tue, Nov 25, 2014 at 4:28 AM, Gleki Arxokuna < >> gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> where is the list of those projects? >>> >>> 2014-11-25 12:26 GMT+03:00 Ali Sajid Imami : >>> >>>> My meaning was less pay than you would pay a US based person. The >>>> problem we have is more administrative than linguistic. We need to kee= p >>>> people engaged and all. Plus our social media presence is scattered an= d if >>>> we can get all of it consolidated and active that would be in our favo= r too. >>>> On Nov 25, 2014 1:22 AM, "And Rosta" wrote: >>>> >>>>> Ali Sajid Imami, On 25/11/2014 08:50: >>>>> >>>>>> I can also suggest someone I know personally who would be perfect fo= r >>>>>> this role and she lives in Pakistan so we don't even have to pay her >>>>>> in US terms, rather in PK terms. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> What are PK terms? >>>>> >>>>> Could your candidate do linguistic work (such as bpfk summaries) or >>>>> just administrative? >>>>> >>>>> --And. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Llg-members mailing list >>>>> Llg-members@lojban.org >>>>> http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Llg-members mailing list >>>> Llg-members@lojban.org >>>> http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members >>>> >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Llg-members mailing list >>> Llg-members@lojban.org >>> http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Llg-members mailing list >> Llg-members@lojban.org >> http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Llg-members mailing list > Llg-members@lojban.org > http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members > > --f46d0444019c2a18cd0508bd9f07 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


2014-11-26 0:40 GMT+03:00 Ali Sajid Imami <ali.sajid.imami@gma= il.com>:
=E2=80=8BHere's the list of task= s the officer would perform:
  • =E2=80=8BTake care of all the socia= l media options to consolidate their control under LLG.
=

*mw= .lojban.org wiki (who is admin - a rhetorical question, it's instal= led on Robin's vrici)
*t= witter.com/uitki (a news feed automatically showing all recent changes = in mw.lojban.org wiki, Gleki has acces= s to the account)
*https= ://twitter.com/LojbanHQ (at least Gleki has access, as of now probably = the main news feed in Twitter apart from changes in mw.lojban.org)
*https://twitter.com/lojban - someone took this account=C2=A0=C2=A0(= who is the owner?)
*https://www.facebook.com/LojbanHQ (also shows changes in mw.lojban.org, at least Gleki has access).
*IRC chat (who is the owner?)
* thelogicallanguagegroup@gmail.com and its Goo= gle+/ Youtube account. (at least Gleki has access)
* https://www.facebook.com/group= s/lojban/ (several admins including Ali, Robin, la tsani, la gleki, la = selpa'i)
* reddit= .com/r/lojban/ (the admins are: JimDabell MattArnold selckiku sarefo sh= anoxilt hicklc01)
* http:= //www.quora.com/Lojban Not sure if administrating is possible there at = all
*https://ello.co/lojba= n - a new social network. Gleki has access to this link and can send in= vites to others. API is not known, so no automatic posting there.
*https://vk.com/menli.bangu - a= Russian group. Gleki is an admin, but the owner isn't in our control, = potentially can do anything.
*h= ttps://vk.com/lojban - a news feed of mw.lojban,org. under Gleki's = control.
May be later I'll list more.
Th= e main place of activity is IRC chat #lojban and the mailing list and shoul= d be mostly advertised.

Facebook, Google+ are all = temporary places that IMO ultimately should lead to the IRC chat. I 'm = not sure they will last forever. IRC chat is the most active place and only= it should be promoted most.

  • Maintain a list of any and all activities that are happening around th= e world. I know That there is a thriving Japanese subcommunity and gleki is= doing a lot of work in Russia.
  • Maintain a list of all projects and= a list of who is doing what and what state each project is in. How many of= us know exactly where the CLL 1.1 and the Dictionary project are.
    • =
  • The important bit here is that they will be able to both recruit and sc= reen volunteers from the community. I have seen many volunteers in the comm= unity who want to help, but they can't because there isn't a design= ated person to approach. The actual responsibilities are all decentralized = which makes it difficult for newcomers to contribute. It will also shield a= ctual workers from people who come on and then disappear.
  • Maint= ain deadlines and road-maps that can be disseminated to the internet and wi= thin the lojban and conlang communities and can be used to get more people = interested.

Also = imo having a nicely formatted wiki is also important.
For more th= an two years I've been preparing mw.lo= jban.org (the content has been copied from the tiki last time in April = 2013 so by that time the two wikis were identical except in formatting or a= lack of it) but since there are more than 2000 pages the work is still not= finished. The tiki was out of question due to performance issues.
It'd be nice if someone else can join this effort.

The problem is, as I said in the open= ing post, that right now one of our biggest problem is that people in charg= e of all the projects all have day jobs and all are volunteers. Which hasn&= #39;t affected their work as much but it has made it difficult to communica= te with others. Which is why a single point-of-contact can be beneficial.
The problem isn't that people aren't engaged: They ARE. It= 9;s just that all the material is scattered and the people who want to work= have no single recourse. The fact that we have the community split into ma= iling list, IRC and facebook now doesn't help either.
=



Regards,
Ali Sajid Ima= mi
CTO

On Tue, Nov 25, 2014 at 10:48 AM, Matt Arnol= d <matt.mattarn@gmail.com> wrote:
=
What tasks would the officer perform, which would address = the reasons people are not engaged?=C2=A0

-Eppcott=C2=A0=

On Tue, Nov 25, 2014 at 4:28 AM, Gleki Arxokuna <= gleki.is.my= .name@gmail.com> wrote:
= where is the list of those projects?

2014-11-25 12:26 GMT+03:00 Ali Sajid Ima= mi <ali.sajid.imami@gmail.com>:
=

My meaning was less pay than you would pay a US based person= . The problem we have is more administrative than linguistic. We need to ke= ep people engaged and all. Plus our social media presence is scattered and = if we can get all of it consolidated and active that would be in our favor = too.

On Nov 25, 2014 1:22 AM, "And Rosta" &= lt;and.rosta@gmail= .com> wrote:
Ali Sajid Imam= i, On 25/11/2014 08:50:
I can also suggest someone I know personally who would be perfect for
this role and she lives in Pakistan so we don't even have to pay her in US terms, rather in PK terms.

What are PK terms?

Could your candidate do linguistic work (such as bpfk summaries) or just ad= ministrative?

--And.


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