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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: I haven't had time to give this a thorough read (I'm taking a break right now but this is a workday for me), but I've had thoughts along similar lines. I also feel the ZG (interim baseline) needs a rewrite; the intent was for the membership to be able to ratify the consensus of BPFK members as part of the officially preferred form of the language when it is seen as necessary, but the wording of the policy is such that it depends on procedures that have not been how BPFK work is done for several years now. [...] Content analysis details: (0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- 0.0 URIBL_BLOCKED ADMINISTRATOR NOTICE: The query to URIBL was blocked. 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I also feel the ZG (interim baseline) needs a rewrite; the intent was for the membership to be able to ratify the consensus of BPFK members as part of the officially preferred form of the language when it is seen as necessary, but the wording of the policy is such that it depends on procedures that have not been how BPFK work is done for several years now. - .kreig. On 10:55am, Sun, Jan 18, 2015 Riley Martinez-Lynch wrote: > Ahead of the IRC session, I would like to share a draft proposal to > re-establish BPFK. > > BPFK was originally chartered by the Baseline Policy of 2002/2003, but for > various reasons, has never realized the objectives that were envisioned for > it by that document. > > It's my hope that a re-establishment of BPFK will both help to revitalize > that body and to open the door to a reconsideration of the Baseline Policy > itself, which on a number of important points no longer reflects the will > or values of the lojban-using community. > > For example, this statement from the Baseline Policy seems at odds with > both the longstanding traditions favoring description over prescription, as > well as more recent of limiting LLG's role in linguistic matters: > > LLG must strongly encourage people to adhere to the baseline as defined, > in the interest of unity of the language community > > > I also hope that a reorganization of BPFK will include a recognition of > the fact that we ask a lot of the chairs of BPFK. Limiting the term of the > chair to a single year reduces this burden, while highlighting the fact > that we as a community are asking someone to work for us. Non-renewable > appointments deprive chairs of the opportunity to re-negotiate the terms of > their work. A renewable appointment helps to ensure that LLG provides BPFK > and its chair with the latitude and resources to accomplish its work, since > if it does not, there will likely be no volunteers for the position. > > I look forward to discussing this proposal with the membership. > > --Riley > mi'e la mukti mu'o > > ---- > > BPFK REAUTHORIZATION (DRAFT) > > LLG hereby recommissions BPFK (a.k.a. "banpla fuzykamni", "baupla > fuzykamni", "byfy") as a standing committee with the charge of improving > and maintaining formal descriptions of Lojban, elaborating undocumented and > under-documented language features, resolving inconsistencies and errors in > existing documentation, and responding to issues that arise in usage. > > BPFK is expressly empowered to determine its own decision-making process > and pursue its own agenda within the scope of its charge as specified in > this charter. > > BPFK is authorized to propose standards for the lojban language which may > include lists of words, definitions in various languages, human or > mechanical specifications of the grammar, and instructional or reference > texts. > > Standard documents may be reported to the Annual Meeting for ratification > by a two-thirds majority of the general membership. Once ratified, the > standards may be described as "official standards" of LLG. When the Annual > Meeting is not in session, BPFK may seek Board approval of standards, which > upon such approval, may be described as "interim standards". > > Starting with the adoption of this policy, the chair of BPFK (a.k.a. > "jatna", "BFKJ") will stand for election to a single year term by a > majority vote at the Annual Meeting of LLG membership. In the case that > BPFK nominates a candidate in its annual report to the membership, LLG > membership will vote to confirm the nomination. If no candidate is > nominated by BPFK, or if the nominated candidate is not confirmed by the > membership, an open election will be held by LLG membership. Membership in > LLG or will not be considered a requirement for this position. > > Should the chair become vacant for any reason while the Annual Meeting is > not in session, the Board may ask the committee to nominate an interim > chair to serve the balance of the term. Should the committee fail to > forward a nominee, or should more than one nominee be forwarded, the Board > reserves the discretion to appoint an interim chair. > > In the case that the Annual Meeting of LLG membership fails to confirm or > elect a chair, the committee will be considered suspended until such a time > as an interim chair is appointed by the Board, or until the election of a > new chair at a subsequent Annual Meeting. > _______________________________________________ > Llg-members mailing list > Llg-members@lojban.org > http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members > --089e013a14fa5b5e75050cefdf56 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I haven't had time to give this a thorough read (I'm= taking a break right now but this is a workday for me), but I've had t= houghts along similar lines.

I also feel the ZG (interim baseline) needs a rewrite; the i= ntent was for the membership to be able to ratify the consensus of BPFK mem= bers as part of the officially preferred form of the language when it is se= en as necessary, but the wording of the policy is such that it depends on p= rocedures that have not been how BPFK work is done for several years now.

- .kreig.


On 10:55am, Sun, Jan 18, 2015=C2=A0Riley Mar= tinez-Lynch <shunpiker@gmail.com<= /a>> wrote:
Ahead of the IRC session, I would like to share a draft prop= osal to re-establish BPFK.

BPFK was originally cha= rtered by the Baseline Policy of 2002/2003, but for various reasons, has ne= ver realized the objectives that were envisioned for it by that document.

It's my hope that a re-establishment of BPFK wi= ll both help to revitalize that body and to open the door to a reconsiderat= ion of the Baseline Policy itself, which on a number of important points no= longer reflects the will or values of the lojban-using community.

For example, this statement from the Baseline Policy seems= at odds with both the longstanding traditions favoring description over pr= escription, as well as more recent of limiting LLG's role in linguistic= matters:

LLG must strongly encourage people to adhere to the= baseline as defined, in the interest of unity of the=C2=A0language communi= ty

I also hope that a reorganization = of BPFK will include a recognition of the fact that we ask a lot of the cha= irs of BPFK. Limiting the term of the chair to a single year reduces this b= urden, while highlighting the fact that we as a community are asking someon= e to work for us. Non-renewable appointments deprive chairs of the opportun= ity to re-negotiate the terms of their work. A renewable appointment helps = to ensure that LLG provides=C2=A0BPFK and its chair with the latitude and r= esources to accomplish its work, since if it does not, there will likely be= no volunteers for the position.

I look forward to= discussing this proposal with the membership.

--R= iley
mi'e la mukti mu'o

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BPFK REAUTHORIZATION (DRAFT)

LLG hereby recommissions BPFK (a.k.a. "banpla fuzykamni", &= quot;baupla fuzykamni", "byfy") as a standing committee with= the charge of improving and maintaining formal descriptions of Lojban, ela= borating undocumented and under-documented language features, resolving inc= onsistencies and errors in existing documentation, and responding to issues= that arise in usage.

BPFK is expressly empowered = to determine its own decision-making process and pursue its own agenda with= in the scope of its charge as specified in this charter.

BPFK is authorized to propose standards for the lojban language whic= h may include lists of words, definitions in various languages, human or me= chanical specifications of the grammar, and instructional or reference text= s.

Standard documents may be reported to the Annua= l Meeting for ratification by a two-thirds majority of the general membersh= ip. Once ratified, the standards may be described as "official standar= ds" of LLG. When the Annual Meeting is not in session, BPFK may seek B= oard approval of standards, which upon such approval, may be described as &= quot;interim standards".

Starting with the ad= option of this policy, the chair of BPFK (a.k.a. "jatna", "B= FKJ") will stand for election to a single year term by a majority vote= at the Annual Meeting of LLG membership. In the case that BPFK nominates a= candidate in its annual report to the membership, LLG membership will vote= to confirm the nomination. If no candidate is nominated by BPFK, or if the= nominated candidate is not confirmed by the membership, an open election w= ill be held by LLG membership. Membership in LLG or will not be considered = a requirement for this position.

Should the chair = become vacant for any reason while the Annual Meeting is not in session, th= e Board may ask the committee to nominate an interim chair to serve the bal= ance of the term. Should the committee fail to forward a nominee, or should= more than one nominee be forwarded, the Board reserves the discretion to a= ppoint an interim chair.

In the case that the Annu= al Meeting of LLG membership fails to confirm or elect a chair, the committ= ee will be considered suspended until such a time as an interim chair is ap= pointed by the Board, or until the election of a new chair at a subsequent = Annual Meeting.
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