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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: 2015-01-20 10:12 GMT+09:00 And Rosta : > > On 19 Jan 2015 23:59, "guskant" wrote: >> >> My usage of the term "language" conforms to the definition of the term >> in model theory: >> http://mathworld.wolfram.com/FormalLanguage.html > > Yes, I know, but that's the very notion of "language" that infects > 'loglinguistics' and has done no end of damage to Lojban. Lojban was created > by people who knew about formal languages, but knew nothing about human > languages, and failed to realize that they have nothing in common apart from > being polysemes of the same English word. > > This is irrelevant to discussion of the language of lojbo dictionary > definitions, but this formal language stuff has been so damaging to Lojban > that I feel I ought to make some effort to stamp out any recrudescence of > it. > > --And. > [...] Content analysis details: (0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- 2.7 DNS_FROM_AHBL_RHSBL RBL: Envelope sender listed in dnsbl.ahbl.org [listed in gmail.com.rhsbl.ahbl.org. IN] [A] 0.0 URIBL_BLOCKED ADMINISTRATOR NOTICE: The query to URIBL was blocked. See http://wiki.apache.org/spamassassin/DnsBlocklists#dnsbl-block for more information. [URIs: wolfram.com] -0.0 RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3 RBL: Good reputation (+3) [209.85.214.170 listed in wl.mailspike.net] -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (gusni.kantu[at]gmail.com) -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] -0.1 DKIM_VALID Message has at least one valid DKIM or DK signature -0.1 DKIM_VALID_AU Message has a valid DKIM or DK signature from author's domain 0.1 DKIM_SIGNED Message has a DKIM or DK signature, not necessarily valid -0.0 RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL Mailspike good senders Subject: Re: [Llg-members] nu ningau so'u se jbovlaste / updating a few jbovlaste entries X-BeenThere: llg-members@lojban.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: llg-members@lojban.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: llg-members-bounces@lojban.org 2015-01-20 10:12 GMT+09:00 And Rosta : > > On 19 Jan 2015 23:59, "guskant" wrote: >> >> My usage of the term "language" conforms to the definition of the term >> in model theory: >> http://mathworld.wolfram.com/FormalLanguage.html > > Yes, I know, but that's the very notion of "language" that infects > 'loglinguistics' and has done no end of damage to Lojban. Lojban was created > by people who knew about formal languages, but knew nothing about human > languages, and failed to realize that they have nothing in common apart from > being polysemes of the same English word. > > This is irrelevant to discussion of the language of lojbo dictionary > definitions, but this formal language stuff has been so damaging to Lojban > that I feel I ought to make some effort to stamp out any recrudescence of > it. > > --And. > I still don't understand how a definition of the term "language" could bring any damage to Lojban, but your point seems to me very important for the philosophical basis of Lojban. I wish you could continue the discussion somewhere else. _______________________________________________ Llg-members mailing list Llg-members@lojban.org http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members