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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: January 18 2015. Resume. 1. it was a rather large meeting of lojbanists both who previously used IRC in order to jbotavla and those who didn't. 2. Riley wrote a "BPFK REAUTHORIZATION (DRAFT)" proposal that can be found in this group. 3. CLL was discussed although with Robin being absent it could be only suggested to follow what he had done. 3.1 Thus publishing YACC within the content of CLL found neither support by everyone nor full aversion. 3.2 Funding Robin's efforts to get an ISBN, a test live paper copy of CLL passed without any noticeable disapproval so I suppose it's settled. 3.3 To find alternatives to Lightning Source has been suggested. 3.4 An importance of selling an e-book version of CLL has been emphasized (with free upgrades). Downloadable content might be included into it. 3.5 A question has been raised whether we should immediately sell CLL 1.1 (probably only xorlo included) or upgrade it further. E.g. excluding poorly formalized parts of grammar has been suggested (like omitting some lerfu switchers following the identical BPFK proposal) 3.6 Changing from YACC/EBNF to PEG officially has been suggested (not only as a part of printing CLL process) 3.7 Creating a group of CLL development contributors on github and a few those who accept push requests has been suggested. 4. How BPFK should work, whether it should have lo jatna (no final decision) 5. mabla/zabna new definitions have been discussed with no answer on who can edit official definitions in jbovlaste online dictionary. 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Resume. 1. it was a rather large meeting of lojbanists both who previously used IRC in order to jbotavla and those who didn't. 2. Riley wrote a "BPFK REAUTHORIZATION (DRAFT)" proposal that can be found in this group. 3. CLL was discussed although with Robin being absent it could be only suggested to follow what he had done. 3.1 Thus publishing YACC within the content of CLL found neither support by everyone nor full aversion. 3.2 Funding Robin's efforts to get an ISBN, a test live paper copy of CLL passed without any noticeable disapproval so I suppose it's settled. 3.3 To find alternatives to Lightning Source has been suggested. 3.4 An importance of selling an e-book version of CLL has been emphasized (with free upgrades). Downloadable content might be included into it. 3.5 A question has been raised whether we should immediately sell CLL 1.1 (probably only xorlo included) or upgrade it further. E.g. excluding poorly formalized parts of grammar has been suggested (like omitting some lerfu switchers following the identical BPFK proposal) 3.6 Changing from YACC/EBNF to PEG officially has been suggested (not only as a part of printing CLL process) 3.7 Creating a group of CLL development contributors on github and a few those who accept push requests has been suggested. 4. How BPFK should work, whether it should have lo jatna (no final decision) 5. mabla/zabna new definitions have been discussed with no answer on who can edit official definitions in jbovlaste online dictionary. The full log is still here: http://pastebin.com/FsAq8JEC P.S. CreativeSpace can be called one of the alternatives since they can ship from Europe if you enable the necessary channel: https://www.createspace.com/Help/Index.jsp?orgId=00D300000001Sh9&id=50170000000jUl9 2015-01-20 0:48 GMT+03:00 And Rosta : > I think my highlight from the logs is: > "< mukti> I'd like to recognize that there is something definitively > heroic about the fact that, despite the tangled process and the frustration > of not being able to make needed changes for years, people still care." > > (I'm nowadays not as heroic as I formerly was.) > > --And. > > _______________________________________________ > Llg-members mailing list > Llg-members@lojban.org > http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members > > --047d7bfceb44782396050d55e8c8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
January 18 2015. Resume.
1. it was a rather large= meeting of lojbanists both who previously used IRC in order to jbotavla an= d those who didn't.
2. Riley wrote a "BPFK REAUTHORIZATI= ON (DRAFT)" proposal that can be found in this group.
3. CLL= was discussed although with Robin being absent it could be only suggested = to follow what he had done.=C2=A0
3.1 Thus publishing YACC within= the content of CLL found neither support by everyone nor full aversion.
3.2 Funding Robin's efforts to get an ISBN, a test live paper c= opy of CLL passed without any noticeable disapproval so I suppose it's = settled.
3.3 To find alternatives to Lightning Source has been su= ggested.
3.4 An importance of selling an e-book version of CLL ha= s been emphasized (with free upgrades). Downloadable content might be inclu= ded into it.
3.5 A question has been raised whether we should imm= ediately sell CLL 1.1 (probably only xorlo included) or upgrade it further.= E.g. excluding poorly formalized parts of grammar has been suggested (like= omitting some lerfu switchers following the identical BPFK proposal)
=
3.6 Changing from YACC/EBNF to PEG officially has been suggested (not = only as a part of printing CLL process)
3.7 Creating a group of C= LL development contributors on github and a few those who accept push reque= sts has been suggested.
4. How BPFK should work, whether it shoul= d have lo jatna (no final decision)
5. mabla/zabna new definition= s have been discussed with no answer on who can edit official definitions i= n jbovlaste online dictionary.

The full log is sti= ll here: http://pastebin.com/FsAq8= JEC



P.S. Creativ= eSpace can be called one of the alternatives since they can ship from Europ= e if you enable the necessary channel:


2015-01-20 0:48 GMT+03:00 And Rosta = <and.rosta@gmail.com>:
<= div dir=3D"ltr">I think my highlight from the logs is:"< mukti>= I'd like to recognize that there is something definitively heroic abou= t the fact that, despite the tangled process and the frustration of not bei= ng able to make needed changes for years, people still care."

<= /div>
(I&#= 39;m nowadays not as heroic as I formerly was.)

--And.

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