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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: L.S. My name is Afke and in my philosophy class we have recently discussed the Sapir-Whorf theory, and currently my classmates and I are working on a project concerning whether this theory is, according to us, correct or not. We are doing this through the means of setting up a hypothesis and testing this hypothesis on the basis of applying it to a specific case. Our group has chosen the Lojban language as our case, and we were very excited to have come across your website and discovering that the Lojban community is still very active. Therefore we thought it might be possible to contact you and ask you some questions concerning our project, which, if it is of no inconvience, we would very much like for you to answer. Assuming that you are familiar with the idea of the Sapir-Whorf theory, which claims that people speaking a different language will percieve reality in a different way, our main question is whether you would agree with this theory or not. Does being able to speak in a different, logical language also mean that you are able to think in a different, logical manner? And seeing that Lojban (most probably) is not your first language, do you believe that people are able to learn to change the way they percieve reality, just like they are able to learn a new language? So for example, does someone who can speak a Native American language as well as regular English have the possibility to view reality in two different ways? Is this the reason you are so interested in Lojban, because it enables you to think and percieve the world more logically? And if not, where did your interest for the Lojban language come from? If it is possible for you to answer these questions, we would like to hear from you soon! [...] Content analysis details: (0.8 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- 2.7 DNS_FROM_AHBL_RHSBL RBL: Envelope sender listed in dnsbl.ahbl.org [listed in msn.com.rhsbl.ahbl.org. IN] [A] -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (afke_vanaller[at]msn.com) -0.0 RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3 RBL: Good reputation (+3) [157.55.1.169 listed in wl.mailspike.net] 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] -0.0 RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL Mailspike good senders --_01c0435d-17bf-43aa-8b35-e133a030b794_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable L.S. My name is Afke and in my philosophy class we have recently discussed the S= apir-Whorf theory=2C and currently my classmates and I are working on a pro= ject concerning whether this theory is=2C according to us=2C correct or not= . We are doing this through the means of setting up a hypothesis and testin= g this hypothesis on the basis of applying it to a specific case. Our group= has chosen the Lojban language as our case=2C and we were very excited to = have come across your website and discovering that the Lojban community is = still very active. Therefore we thought it might be possible to contact you= and ask you some questions concerning our project=2C which=2C if it is of = no inconvience=2C we would very much like for you to answer. Assuming that you are familiar with the idea of the Sapir-Whorf theory=2C w= hich claims that people speaking a different language will percieve reality= in a different way=2C our main question is whether you would agree with th= is theory or not. Does being able to speak in a different=2C logical langua= ge also mean that you are able to think in a different=2C logical manner? A= nd seeing that Lojban (most probably) is not your first language=2C do you = believe that people are able to learn to change the way they percieve reali= ty=2C just like they are able to learn a new language? So for example=2C do= es someone who can speak a Native American language as well as regular Engl= ish have the possibility to view reality in two different ways? Is this the= reason you are so interested in Lojban=2C because it enables you to think = and percieve the world more logically? And if not=2C where did your interes= t for the Lojban language come from? If it is possible for you to answer these questions=2C we would like to hea= r from you soon!=20 Thanking you in advance! Sincerely=2C Afke van Aller=2CMurmellius gymnasiumAlkmaarThe Netherlands = --_01c0435d-17bf-43aa-8b35-e133a030b794_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
L.S.

My name = is Afke and in my philosophy class we have recently discussed the Sapir-Who= rf theory=2C and currently my classmates and I are working on a project con= cerning whether this theory is=2C according to us=2C correct or not. We are= doing this through the means of setting up a hypothesis and testing this h= ypothesis on the basis of applying it to a specific case. Our group has cho= sen the Lojban language as our case=2C and we were very excited to have com= e across your website and discovering that the Lojban community is still ve= ry active. Therefore we thought it might be possible to contact you and ask= you some questions concerning our project=2C which=2C if it is of no incon= vience=2C we would very much like for you to answer.

Assuming that you are familiar with the idea of the Sapir-Whorf theory= =2C which claims that people speaking a different language will percieve re= ality in a different way=2C our main question is whether you would agree wi= th this theory or not. Does being able to speak in a different=2C logical l= anguage also mean that you are able to think in a different=2C logical mann= er? And seeing that Lojban (most probably) is not your first language=2C do= you believe that people are able to learn to change the way they percieve = reality=2C just like they are able to learn a new language? So for example= =2C does someone who can speak a Native American language as well as regula= r English have the possibility to view reality in two different ways? Is th= is the reason you are so interested in Lojban=2C because it enables you to = think and percieve the world more logically? And if not=2C where did your i= nterest for the Lojban language come from?

If it i= s possible for you to answer these questions=2C we would like to hear from = you soon! =3B


Thanking you in a= dvance!

Sincerely=2C

Afke= van Aller=2C
Murmellius gymnasium
Alkmaar
Th= e Netherlands
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