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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: 2015-02-13 1:39 GMT+03:00 Bob LeChevalier, President and Founder - LLG < : > I've also been struck by the realization that the sub-community that has > built up around IRC has significantly different ideas on making their > usages "official" than the rest of the community, which I fear would lead > to rapid and sometimes contentious language change, without achieving true > consensus. This was the sort of thing that helped tear the TLI Loglan > community apart. One can easily imagine that a chair appointed from among > one faction could cause that faction to be controlling in decisions on > language change. > [...] Content analysis details: (0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- 2.7 DNS_FROM_AHBL_RHSBL RBL: Envelope sender listed in dnsbl.ahbl.org [listed in gmail.com.rhsbl.ahbl.org. IN] [A] 0.0 URIBL_BLOCKED ADMINISTRATOR NOTICE: The query to URIBL was blocked. See http://wiki.apache.org/spamassassin/DnsBlocklists#dnsbl-block for more information. [URIs: lojban.org] -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (gleki.is.my.name[at]gmail.com) 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] -0.1 DKIM_VALID Message has at least one valid DKIM or DK signature -0.1 DKIM_VALID_AU Message has a valid DKIM or DK signature from author's domain 0.1 DKIM_SIGNED Message has a DKIM or DK signature, not necessarily valid Subject: Re: [Llg-members] Motion: BPFK Reauthorization (amendment) X-BeenThere: llg-members@lojban.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: llg-members@lojban.org Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============7846410924918643627==" Errors-To: llg-members-bounces@lojban.org --===============7846410924918643627== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b86db8aede79a050ef22025 --047d7b86db8aede79a050ef22025 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 2015-02-13 1:39 GMT+03:00 Bob LeChevalier, President and Founder - LLG < lojbab@lojban.org>: > I've also been struck by the realization that the sub-community that has > built up around IRC has significantly different ideas on making their > usages "official" than the rest of the community, which I fear would lead > to rapid and sometimes contentious language change, without achieving true > consensus. This was the sort of thing that helped tear the TLI Loglan > community apart. One can easily imagine that a chair appointed from among > one faction could cause that faction to be controlling in decisions on > language change. > How can this happen if almost all LLG members are BPFK members? Then who decides? How can the rest of the community be reached if e.g. they don't want to join BPFK or LLG? --047d7b86db8aede79a050ef22025 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

= 2015-02-13 1:39 GMT+03:00 Bob LeChevalier, President and Founder - LLG <lo= jbab@lojban.org>:
I've also been struck by the realization that th= e sub-community that has built up around IRC has significantly different id= eas on making their usages "official" than the rest of the commun= ity, which I fear would lead to rapid and sometimes contentious language ch= ange, without achieving true consensus.=C2=A0 This was the sort of thing th= at helped tear the TLI Loglan community apart.=C2=A0 One can easily imagine= that a chair appointed from among one faction could cause that faction to = be controlling in decisions on language change.

How can this happen if almost all LLG members are BPFK members?
<= div class=3D"gmail_extra">Then who decides? How can the rest of the communi= ty be reached if e.g. they don't want to join BPFK or LLG?
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