Received: from localhost ([::1]:47447 helo=stodi.digitalkingdom.org) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1YN34W-0006kK-Dt; Sun, 15 Feb 2015 09:33:32 -0800 Received: from eastrmfepo202.cox.net ([68.230.241.217]:43248) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1YN34P-0006kC-N1 for llg-members@lojban.org; Sun, 15 Feb 2015 09:33:30 -0800 Received: from eastrmimpo110 ([68.230.241.223]) by eastrmfepo202.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.15 201-2260-151-145-20131218) with ESMTP id <20150215173319.UMXJ20038.eastrmfepo202.cox.net@eastrmimpo110> for ; Sun, 15 Feb 2015 12:33:19 -0500 Received: from [192.168.0.102] ([72.209.248.61]) by eastrmimpo110 with cox id shZK1p0061LDWBL01hZKg9; Sun, 15 Feb 2015 12:33:19 -0500 X-CT-Class: Clean X-CT-Score: 0.00 X-CT-RefID: str=0001.0A020201.54E0D85F.00E0,ss=1,re=0.001,fgs=0 X-CT-Spam: 0 X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=GKHW5JxK c=1 sm=1 a=z9jnGXjs1dxvEuWvIXKNSw==:17 a=4Y1Az08UtVsA:10 a=N659UExz7-8A:10 a=8YJikuA2AAAA:8 a=SXj7th6dboaNpZ8CoWIA:9 a=pILNOxqGKmIA:10 a=z9jnGXjs1dxvEuWvIXKNSw==:117 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Authentication-Results: cox.net; none Message-ID: <54E0D85F.6030202@lojban.org> Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2015 12:33:19 -0500 From: Bob LeChevalier User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: llg-members@lojban.org References: <54D471BB.2070605@lojban.org> <54D66BA8.5040607@lojban.org> <08041A2E-FC72-4E80-AAB4-468A1A3C4DB4@gmail.com> <54DA533B.2090803@lojban.org> <54DD2B86.2020506@lojban.org> In-Reply-To: X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_bar: - Subject: Re: [Llg-members] Motion: BPFK Reauthorization (amendment) X-BeenThere: llg-members@lojban.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: llg-members@lojban.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: llg-members-bounces@lojban.org On 2/13/2015 9:41 PM, Riley Martinez-Lynch wrote: > On Feb 12, 2015, at 5:39 PM, "Bob LeChevalier, President and Founder - LLG" wrote: > >> It seems that your proposal has strongly evolved from the BPFK as a group determining policies and procedures, to the chair having that power exclusively. > > I wouldn't characterize the proposal as vesting power exclusively in the chair, and I disagree that it has "strongly evolved" in that direction. > > The only change to the chair's role in the proposal relative to when lojbab described it as assigning to the chair the role of "primarily a communicator or coordinator" (an interpretation that also differs from my own) is that it grants to the chair the permission to appoint or remove members. > > This amendment was prompted by the discovery that parliamentary procedure does not extend that power to committee chairs. I suggested this not in order to unduly extend the chair's privileges, but to ensure that the power of appointment rests in BPFK rather than setting up a scenario where LLG is micro-managing the membership of the committee. > > Given that no one can become chair of the committee without the confidence of the membership, or in the case of an interim chair, the Board, it's reasonable to believe that chairs would execute the responsibility of appointment, as well as their other duties, in the interest of LLG. Should they fail to do so, LLG has conventional remedies at its disposal. > > I'm concerned that providing a method to appoint members from outside the committee could undermine the ability of the committee and the chair to maintain expectations for members. However, if the prevailing sentiment is that this risk is outweighed by other considerations, perhaps an amendment could be drafted that authorizes LLG to name members of the committee at the time that a new chair is elected. In that case, it would be important to stress the exceptional nature of those appointments, such that LLG would not become the "appointing or electing authority", which could interfere with the committee's authority to manage those appointments, or to make other appointments. For one thing, I've been mostly talking about "initial conditions" where we have an existing set of BPFK members, and not an ongoing capability for LLG to name members. I want LLG to stay out of the matter as much as possible. For another, I think the main choices are between chair appointment of BPFK members, or self-appointment by individuals simply volunteering and doing some work (with some procedure for the members setting qualifications). lojbab _______________________________________________ Llg-members mailing list Llg-members@lojban.org http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members