Received: from localhost ([::1]:51017 helo=stodi.digitalkingdom.org) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1Yircr-0006fY-PB; Thu, 16 Apr 2015 14:47:10 -0700 Received: from eastrmfepo102.cox.net ([68.230.241.214]:50160) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1Yirco-0006f6-0Y for llg-members@lojban.org; Thu, 16 Apr 2015 14:47:07 -0700 Received: from eastrmimpo109 ([68.230.241.222]) by eastrmfepo102.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.15 201-2260-151-145-20131218) with ESMTP id <20150416214659.WXGU21735.eastrmfepo102.cox.net@eastrmimpo109> for ; Thu, 16 Apr 2015 17:46:59 -0400 Received: from [192.168.0.102] ([72.209.242.63]) by eastrmimpo109 with cox id Glmy1q00y1Nn1eG01lmzYD; Thu, 16 Apr 2015 17:46:59 -0400 X-CT-Class: Clean X-CT-Score: 0.00 X-CT-RefID: str=0001.0A020204.55302DD3.0135,ss=1,re=0.000,fgs=0 X-CT-Spam: 0 X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=EpUMW1gA c=1 sm=1 a=sOxKrxY1QYXBcFVBIkZEyQ==:17 a=JJ1bDv3c7YsA:10 a=N659UExz7-8A:10 a=8YJikuA2AAAA:8 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=bNhnvbyw7foSYo2ZyJcA:9 a=pILNOxqGKmIA:10 a=sOxKrxY1QYXBcFVBIkZEyQ==:117 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Authentication-Results: cox.net; none Message-ID: <55302E07.8040903@lojban.org> Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2015 17:47:51 -0400 From: "Bob LeChevalier, President and Founder - LLG" Organization: The Logical Language Group, Inc. User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: llg-members@lojban.org References: <5502321A.2050208@lojban.org> <551ADCFF.20709@lojban.org> <552CA608.50200@lojban.org> <552D0CC2.7080502@selpahi.de> <552DA91A.8090207@lojban.org> In-Reply-To: X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_bar: - Subject: Re: [Llg-members] New Business: other topics X-BeenThere: llg-members@lojban.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: llg-members@lojban.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: llg-members-bounces@lojban.org On 4/16/2015 8:12 AM, And Rosta wrote: > > > On Thu, Apr 16, 2015 at 9:08 AM, Gleki Arxokuna > > wrote: > > > What has been proposed by far were indeed rivals to Lojban not > better than it. Although of course one might say "I don't like > phonotactics" or "I don't like the abundance of sound {x} in > Lojban". Creating a Lojban2NewLoglang converter would be trivial as > I showed with Lojban <=> TLI Loglan converter. > > The point is that all rival projects die. They never accumulate > enough mass to continue to be alive. This even happened to TLI > Loglan itself. > > > Your criterion for rivalhood, for superiority and for livingness, namely > having a community of speakers, is irrelevant to the scholarly purposes > I had in mind, prompted by the LLG's mission statement. Having a community of speakers is an essential criterion for calling it a "language". Otherwise it is merely a language proposal or language design. Some linguists assert that there must be a community of native speakers to achieve languagehood, but I think the field of linguistics has broadened its criteria in part because of the sort of thing we have done with Loglan/Lojban. lojbab _______________________________________________ Llg-members mailing list Llg-members@lojban.org http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members