Received: from localhost ([::1]:50275 helo=stodi.digitalkingdom.org) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1YzK6E-0002k9-I1; Mon, 01 Jun 2015 00:25:30 -0700 Received: from mail-wi0-f182.google.com ([209.85.212.182]:35065) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1.2:AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1YzK6A-0002jh-Ed for llg-members@lojban.org; Mon, 01 Jun 2015 00:25:28 -0700 Received: by wicmx19 with SMTP id mx19so66333019wic.0 for ; Mon, 01 Jun 2015 00:25:19 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=GuEm5VeVNxH0Ny2su8EYh6yH3pNhvQWcoqZ4lGH4JK4=; b=RNuxFgrgk+oBCKwqnpbE9mZOLRo/F8EOK0Fu8f0I77DfY3H8Aa11o+5L9ASG58qrWW etmhTHGOxZrBqCpOostzFzSc1Bnk9DQkLqzftrGQ58nzvwRUNzck6xFiUM8vrhlgXOP7 ftY4yuYoBKGn5inZuEO+p+KA2RPFfRnhZo/0sJ1XHE3um4J91Sh3E0QBW1ptqig/gbdL s3yF0AeIEkj67AiRV3sOhCCsCZ29ia9xutIvgbkaeo/YdnnTGO92re8TS91XpdDog4lN kn/TorYRbYwAfPHVJsKLYq3nNcAvZt5/54hILvKBuYJ5Ok0uzAimPfD+bcFLwDRPlWxl aC+Q== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.194.2.172 with SMTP id 12mr2742961wjv.36.1433143519663; Mon, 01 Jun 2015 00:25:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.27.170.193 with HTTP; Mon, 1 Jun 2015 00:25:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.27.170.193 with HTTP; Mon, 1 Jun 2015 00:25:19 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <556B6622.3040909@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2015 08:25:19 +0100 Message-ID: From: And Rosta To: llg-members@lojban.org X-Spam-Score: -2.7 (--) X-Spam_score: -2.7 X-Spam_score_int: -26 X-Spam_bar: -- Subject: Re: [Llg-members] some thoughts on electing leaders and doers X-BeenThere: llg-members@lojban.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: llg-members@lojban.org Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============2684470238682580828==" Errors-To: llg-members-bounces@lojban.org --===============2684470238682580828== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b3a88fe66db1b05176fbab5 --047d7b3a88fe66db1b05176fbab5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 On 1 Jun 2015 07:13, "Gleki Arxokuna" wrote: > > > 2015-05-31 22:50 GMT+03:00 And Rosta : >> >> The general situation now and always is that there is a shortage of folk able and willing to do stuff and especially to lead. > > > I think the concept of "to lead" needs clarification. Who is the leader of Javascript? Who is the leader of Esperanto? How can anyone lead the language. Obviously, not a language is meant here but its community but I have no clue how can anything be led (which doesn't mean it can't). To lead is to play a main role in, and take responsibility for, organizing the community so that needful stuff gets done. Beyond that, electors and candidates should negotiate what is meant. In initiating this discussion I'm trying to do what little I can to ensure that in future there will be some leadership. And --047d7b3a88fe66db1b05176fbab5 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


On 1 Jun 2015 07:13, "Gleki Arxokuna" <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com> wrote:
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> 2015-05-31 22:50 GMT+03:00 And Rosta <and.rosta@gmail.com>:
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>> The general situation now and always is that there is a shortage o= f folk able and willing to do stuff and especially to lead.
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> I think the concept of "to lead" needs clarification. Who is= the leader of Javascript?=C2=A0 Who is the leader of Esperanto? How can an= yone lead the language. Obviously, not a language is meant here but its com= munity but I have no clue how can anything be led (which doesn't mean i= t can't).

To lead is to play a main role in, and take responsibility for, organizing = the community so that needful stuff gets done. Beyond that, electors and ca= ndidates should negotiate what is meant.

In initiating this discussion I'm trying to do what litt= le I can to ensure that in future there will be some leadership.

And

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