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2015-12-16 22:34 GMT+00:00 Bob LeChevalier, President and Founder -
LLG <lojbab@lojban.org>:

> My own thoughts, for what they are worth:
>
> Bear in mind that at this point, LLG does not directly control the
> definition of the Lojban language, but rather it interfaces with the byfy
> jatna who is directing the activities of that group to do so.  (It is
> uncertain at this point whether LLG or byfy will be responsible for
> producing the next edition of CLL, when Robin finishes what he is currently
> almost done with.  By default, if he wants it, I suspect that Robin himself
> will direct that next CLL effort, if he wants to, but a few months ago he
> was planning to greatly reduce his Lojban commitments and activities.)
>

I think byfy must be responsible for the contents of CLL, and LLG must be
responsible for the publication.

Actually, the next CLL is currently modified mainly by Cirko, Mezohe and Gleki.
https://github.com/lojban/cll/commits/docbook-prince-cll-2.0
I think the modifications should be periodically or finally discussed
and admitted by byfy, but I observed only few topics among many
modifications were discussed. For example, we partially discussed the
word "observative"
https://groups.google.com/d/topic/bpfk-list/_I-_wj8dDn0/discussion
and no voting process is (yet?) performed about the modification that
Gleki made on github:
https://github.com/lojban/cll/compare/f3bdbe36e4f89d08d56d28cb693fc2ddfbc6785c...6519b9d297dc7e85d616e1a44282a6ada301c631

As for that topic, I abandoned to reply to Gleki because I realized
that Gleki has too little knowledge of philosophy for us to continue
the discussion on the thread; I think it would be better return to the
topic after I finish my commentary on the philosophical and logical
basis of the design of Lojban.

Well, that is a problem to be solved by byfy itself.
The problem to be discussed here is to confirm how the current
modifications on the next version of CLL is going to be official.

>
> Since it should be clear by now that I am timewise and healthwise not
> capable of managing everything or even most things that LLG does, it is
> critical that we have people on the Board who are able and willing to step
> in and lead or manage various the efforts by LLG to achieve YOUR goals.  To
> put it simply, we have not had enough such people on the Board.  I can
> strongly commend mukti and gleki among the Board members as being
> particularly active in both leading and doing things.
>
> But we need more.  More on the Board who are willing to take action, or to
> lead others in doing so.
>

I'm sorry but I have lost confidence in Gleki.
It is not for his lack of knowledge of philosophy, but for some
activities of communication:

1. Gleki suggested the creator of Lojban version of the brower Vivaldi
to use an experimental cmavo "la'oi" without warning of
"experimental".
2. Gleki removed the words "culturally neutral" from the top page of
Lojban website.
3. Gleki advertised some derivations of Lojban as "Lojban", while he
did some other derivations that are unpleasant to him as "non-Lojban".

(As for 2, I don't think either that Lojban _is_ culturally neutral, but at
least we could aim at it as an ideal, and the words are still worth
mentioning on the top
page.)


> Last meeting, there seemed to be a sense that the community wants to
> increase communications among the various subgroups of Lojbanists, grouped
> either by geography or language or activity.  I myself have been largely
> oblivious of these activities.  For example, I have recently been told of
> great things that guskant has achieved in Japan and in Lojban videos, but I
> have barely known that there even existed Lojbanists in Japan, and to my
> chagrin, I haven't even once personally communicated with guskant.  This
> really needs to change, and LLG as an organization is well-suited for this.
> But what should we be doing?
>

Thank you all for viewing my artworks!
I don't know how the communities in different native languages will be
able to know each other.
It is progress that Gleki has recently succeeded in connecting some
social networks:
https://groups.google.com/d/topic/lojban/ng0WbJ11RzU/discussion

However, I am still pessimistic about the effectiveness.
Actually, a Japanese community uses Japanese for discussion of Lojban,
a Chinese community uses Chinese for it, and so on.
The problem is that they are not much willing to make contact with
other communities of Lojban in Lojban.
I can only post the news around the communities when I noticed:
https://mw.lojban.org/papri/nuzba/en

mu'o mi'e la guskant

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