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2015-12-24 13:30 GMT+00:00 Gleki Arxokuna <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com>:
>
>
> 2015-12-24 16:08 GMT+03:00 guskant <gusni.kantu@gmail.com>:
>>
>>
>> 2015-12-23 6:55 GMT+00:00 Gleki Arxokuna <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com>:
>> >
>> > I'd rather say that Lojban is very far from linguistics, even polyglots
>> > and
>> > professional linguists can't understand CLL.
>> >
>>
>> Did you take statistics of it? I'm neither linguist nor polyglot, but
>> in my opinion, CLL, even the first version, is the easiest to
>> understand among all the learning materials in English.
>
>
> Well, lucky you that you are neither a linguist nor a polyglot.
> It might be so that polyglots and conlangers
> (http://conlangery.com/2012/03/19/conlangery-42-practicum-getting-rid-of-adjectives/
> ) may just expect something written in "normal" linguistic terminology.
>
> I have no idea how and whether they tried to learn Straits Salishan language
> but even the latter at least *seems* to be described in some set of terms
> usual to linguists.
>
> And when they don't find it they laugh at it or just throw away.
> To name the third case (the second is Wikipedia) Andre Muller on Facebook
> said that after abandoning Lojban he had to read The Crash Course where the
> word "predicate" was not even mentioned at that time and only after that
> (having understood the basics) he returned to reading CLL.
>
>

OK, so you have no statistics and opine based on your own ideal.

We have now two different opinions about CLL:
1. You think that other polyglots and conlangers don't understand CLL.
2. Masato, the super-polyglot, and I, the ordinary person, both think
that the current CLL is easy to understand.

From these very limited information, we can only conclude:
1-1. In order to promote Lojban to other polyglots and conlangers,
some text in terms of linguistics are necessary.
2-1. In order to promote Lojban to super-polyglots and ordinary
people, the current CLL is enough (though some modifications based on
the development of Lojban are required for the next version).

Then, we have only one peaceful solution: you make another book for
linguists, and the others brush up CLL for super-polyglots and
ordinary people according to the current policy.


>
>>
>> Masato
>> Hagiwara, who is fluent in Japanese, Chinese and English, and also a
>> researcher of Natural Language Processing, agreed to my opinion.
>
>
> Oh well, how many people on Earth are like Masato Hagiwara?
> He is a hyperpolyglot if you consider programming languages as languages.
>
> We need to extend Lojban presence by repacking its learning resources into
> better words and better forms.
>
> Even for those who know nothing of logic, programming, conlangery and who
> don't speak anything but their only native language.
>
> Like that Hajiloji website.
>

Yes, you need of course a website like Hajiloji, but my subject here
is only the next version of CLL, not the elementary courses.

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