Received: from localhost ([::1]:54231 helo=stodi.digitalkingdom.org) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.85) (envelope-from ) id 1aDbhi-0006Pa-Nt; Mon, 28 Dec 2015 09:35:30 -0800 Received: from mail-wm0-f48.google.com ([74.125.82.48]:38019) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1.2:AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4.85) (envelope-from ) id 1aDbhb-0006Ob-BW for llg-members@lojban.org; Mon, 28 Dec 2015 09:35:29 -0800 Received: by mail-wm0-f48.google.com with SMTP id l126so276540657wml.1 for ; Mon, 28 Dec 2015 09:35:23 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=Zlt/ILTbWWcLQH10FVg8wRcjJKd2naFPWF5FhTIv9II=; b=kCEoU2V+9//IX1jSed0wZES5Rv/AyxFgSRMdcnhk+nWIz4ROyJ7ncjJLvGd7JKxNT1 uLHmUhknEVM8DGEfBvvEQ6J3Bpa5+W8WUkiFo45S7iDOvF37fKnwnKP9tmhDDcBrNLNQ qnqqo1yicP4IdmuiSrYDEo72N2evtQJEv8tkU7j+l9Df7YdlLFkAOjN2KkyP2KedRmy/ mSnduhLa15nBmS686O/wRx9XNemZkGFiijgKwQZc0tYGdP+0O6kO6NDUMgweoFAWwkzo dHrnotA7DlDGgGJ2jHjbPbpeQGdcY5hkiallPCr4qoDOjEJDo3gkAANSGJU1PR/xxkQG tBSw== X-Received: by 10.28.57.65 with SMTP id g62mr56811924wma.65.1451324116722; Mon, 28 Dec 2015 09:35:16 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.28.92.136 with HTTP; Mon, 28 Dec 2015 09:34:36 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <9AC7ACDB-A395-4564-8340-20876DAB07CA@gmail.com> References: <563CBDA4.5080308@selpahi.de> <5671E710.2020407@lojban.org> <9AC7ACDB-A395-4564-8340-20876DAB07CA@gmail.com> From: Gleki Arxokuna Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2015 20:34:36 +0300 Message-ID: To: llg-members@lojban.org X-Spam-Score: -2.0 (--) X-Spam_score: -2.0 X-Spam_score_int: -19 X-Spam_bar: -- Subject: Re: [Llg-members] 2015 Annual Meeting X-BeenThere: llg-members@lojban.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: llg-members@lojban.org Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============2850712349769731915==" Errors-To: llg-members-bounces@lojban.org --===============2850712349769731915== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a114a51666e6c630527f8ba24 --001a114a51666e6c630527f8ba24 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable 2015-12-28 19:35 GMT+03:00 Karen Stein : > It is also important that the volume make sense to linguists since it is > the major way they will be able to see how the language works. Note that although that is desirable we can't please everyone. It's imo indeed bad to use a pseudo-English terminology not matching established terminology neither in linguistics, nor in logic, nor in programming. Some addendum or explanatory chapters can be envisioned specifically for each of these branches of knowledge. Any state of the Primary Reference Grammar Book is fine, even the current one, provided that links to those branches are clearly specified, that is {co'i} is perfective aspect in linguistics, often =E4=BA=86 in Chinese, aor= ist in Greek. Just like CLL now explains {le} as mostly "the". But CLL is now not neutral towards certain languages. It's written in English and for people speaking English. This can be solved by making a new Primary Resource: 1. a purely Lojbanic CLL with examples from various and possibly arbitrary languages 2. This Lojbanic CLL will have as addendums describing bindings of Lojban to specific languages either in the form of explaining them in Lojban (a dictionary, Semantic/Syntactic Metalanguage style) or for the first time just in the form of introductory courses of Lojban for speakers of those languages. 3. BPFK will have the job of periodically approving of new bindings of Lojban to more and more languages. This of course will be limited by the number of Lojbanists being fluent in those new languages. And "English used by linguists", "English used by laymen", "English for Haskell programmers" are all different languages. --001a114a51666e6c630527f8ba24 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

= 2015-12-28 19:35 GMT+03:00 Karen Stein <comcaresvcs@gmail.com><= /span>:
It is also important that the volume make sense= to linguists since it is the major way they will be able to see how the la= nguage works.

Note that although that is desirable we= can't please everyone.
It's imo in= deed bad to use a pseudo-English terminology not matching established termi= nology neither in linguistics, nor in logic, nor in programming.

Some addendum or= explanatory chapters can be envisioned specifically for each of these bran= ches of knowledge.

Any state of the Primary Reference Grammar Book is fine, even = the current one, provided that links to those branches are clearly specifie= d, that is {co'i} is perfective aspect in linguistics, often =E4=BA=86 = in Chinese, aorist in Greek. Just like CLL now explains {le} as mostly &quo= t;the".

But CLL is now not neutral towards certain languages. It's writt= en in English and for people speaking English.

This can be solved by making a new= Primary Resource:
1. a purely Lojbanic CLL= with examples from various and possibly arbitrary languages=C2=A0
2. This Lojbanic CLL will have=C2=A0as addendums de= scribing bindings of Lojban to specific languages either in the form of exp= laining them in Lojban (a dictionary, Semantic/Syntactic Metalanguage style= ) or for the first time just in the form of introductory courses of Lojban = for speakers of those languages.
3. BPFK wi= ll have the job of periodically approving of new bindings of Lojban to more= and more languages. This of course will be limited by the number of Lojban= ists being fluent in those new languages.
<= br>
And "English used by linguists&quo= t;, "English used by laymen", "English for Haskell programme= rs" are all different languages.
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