Received: from localhost ([::1]:55329 helo=stodi.digitalkingdom.org) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.86) (envelope-from ) id 1aWfpz-00076R-Dv; Thu, 18 Feb 2016 23:50:51 -0800 Received: from mail-wm0-f50.google.com ([74.125.82.50]:37108) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4.86) (envelope-from ) id 1aWfps-00074l-2s for llg-members@lojban.org; Thu, 18 Feb 2016 23:50:48 -0800 Received: by mail-wm0-f50.google.com with SMTP id g62so58940349wme.0 for ; Thu, 18 Feb 2016 23:50:43 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=rWENaMJxY6LmJEzubge8blVSIP54mjaiGlz1/ggNap8=; b=EMJmS3oxHUMApH0fWGa6ktC1wjONpJRgAJlxOATLtkReaMT7Z64NRavOFo+OmMmynd 6FSVAVzxs5TtAfIG8Oz7ML7WgFjfGzjWKNAGh2qMl+sHJqPO2bYysn3UkgRknyX812lq zPalctIJSjZiuiBsoWxhRpxAvfUA1GehwrXuAYOvX8svl/qTwwG1gQACUSd2Kv89DJOP vwY5Wnvjnxei9fs6EgN6NiJu0xBcoA9dsZy3ItM+rT8gMYomA7wEN619r1wOrk6s088K x9A43dhm+MJrF/ygDGvFVh+/LgOiJ2fS8EaUi9iy94SwC1BkwBuqOQ7/AI6uz7mdY4Fj 8p3w== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=rWENaMJxY6LmJEzubge8blVSIP54mjaiGlz1/ggNap8=; b=lMr22BbvTC/8/YIcCA29qtJAV3LVENausSr5DZ+OKqPzSrs46RJVlTef6rZMLbHFjE RYzZvtQfVgxISDAYcEARuKMkCDnZeJ2EnFHnNkCJjot7Es8IGEHE1gsje5Rbe5I31dsY iip9Hn51XHU78A6uLt7AzQ7NFxiupykVY/ngm5xBykmTy7jhaqpoC9Cqeyte1hIg1gSu DT4dmY3krDTImK9jjcTyFHw1inmqaspQL+gCswMifBHsh29bawhgKOhqI0FEN+AuSHoV 3BCZhGBbJddcaH/gR/cBCksTncS+Y5+faVd+nDUeea6JVMmYEtWJUwgXOGhHax+chwEc i1Mg== X-Gm-Message-State: AG10YOSrVFe8SP13xhpLspJEkcZhjciNdEGasuAD7kAEceM7QH11PZyB6Zdrrc8C7VF97/VcQcfj+zqqcOWM5A== X-Received: by 10.28.13.79 with SMTP id 76mr6158557wmn.5.1455868237497; Thu, 18 Feb 2016 23:50:37 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.28.91.210 with HTTP; Thu, 18 Feb 2016 23:49:58 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <56C507B8.3040105@lojban.org> References: <563CBDA4.5080308@selpahi.de> <4E514785-A922-4D75-B34A-EFB3880C5712@gmail.com> <566701E3.4060408@lojban.org> <566CD949.7010504@lojban.org> <5671E710.2020407@lojban.org> <56C37E88.4030000@lojban.org> <56C507B8.3040105@lojban.org> From: Gleki Arxokuna Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2016 10:49:58 +0300 Message-ID: To: llg-members@lojban.org X-Spam-Score: -2.0 (--) X-Spam_score: -2.0 X-Spam_score_int: -19 X-Spam_bar: -- Subject: Re: [Llg-members] International lojban community issues (was Re: 2015 Annual Meeting) X-BeenThere: llg-members@lojban.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: llg-members@lojban.org Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============5061466327376255602==" Errors-To: llg-members-bounces@lojban.org --===============5061466327376255602== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11442bbe22cc20052c1abdce --001a11442bbe22cc20052c1abdce Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 2016-02-18 2:52 GMT+03:00 Bob LeChevalier : > On 2/17/2016 3:28 AM, guskant wrote: > >> (I think it is the key feature of cultural neutrality of Lojban that >> most expressions that are grammatically forced in natural languages >> are optional in Lojban. It is worth mentioning in the next version of >> CLL as a culturally neutral structure of Lojban.) >> > > I think in fact that the optional usage is PRIMARILY what JCB meant by > "culturally neutral". > This view in linguistics is now collected at https://mw.lojban.org/papri/Principle_of_least_effort > > As for the other things you wrote, I would probably first try to use some > form of metalinguistic form (SEI/SEhU) to mark role-wording, as a first > approach, adding cmavo only if they provided a significant increase in > clarity. Otherwise, I need to think about things a lot more than I am > capable of right now (health reasons). > > > lojbab > > > _______________________________________________ > Llg-members mailing list > Llg-members@lojban.org > http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members > --001a11442bbe22cc20052c1abdce Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


2016-02-18 2:52 GMT+03:00 Bob LeChevalier <lojbab@lojban.org>:
On 2/17/2016 3:28 AM, guskant w= rote:
(I think it is the key feature of cultural neutrality of Lojban that
most expressions that are grammatically forced in natural languages
are optional in Lojban. It is worth mentioning in the next version of
CLL as a culturally neutral structure of Lojban.)

I think in fact that the optional usage is PRIMARILY what JCB meant by &quo= t;culturally neutral".


<= div>This view in linguistics is now collected at=C2=A0https://mw.lojban.org/papri/Pr= inciple_of_least_effort

=C2=A0

As for the other things you wrote, I would probably first try to use some f= orm of metalinguistic form (SEI/SEhU) to mark role-wording, as a first appr= oach, adding cmavo only if they provided a significant increase in clarity.= =C2=A0 Otherwise, I need to think about things a lot more than I am capable= of right now (health reasons).


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