Received: from localhost ([::1]:59928 helo=stodi.digitalkingdom.org) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.86) (envelope-from ) id 1abUOF-0005qg-Lm; Thu, 03 Mar 2016 06:38:07 -0800 Received: from mail-io0-f178.google.com ([209.85.223.178]:34172) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4.86) (envelope-from ) id 1abUO8-0005pW-RE for llg-members@lojban.org; Thu, 03 Mar 2016 06:38:06 -0800 Received: by mail-io0-f178.google.com with SMTP id m184so29192399iof.1 for ; Thu, 03 Mar 2016 06:38:00 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=KXgiujkLacBWZNlawIQ9gMWHkOD4PnnaTlrwStM4zgA=; b=Y4ENN5fIBXzpXMJSHCjQm591/zO9tnDqcZI033rx0Im2SQdTFWOVIVee0b5g2pFlfy c2W3SLEygqJAH9jiYtjZAE526oz6SB1v4j43w8y0BwyI6btGDRQF4aT+TcJQRpXZHhCx 91+OINSmnqe7deSwTWw6l+kWdmLiYw/5BfREs3A/4AyAbhmxK875HbusKnk8x3PZz2Db q2SLEc/vwRrlXuXJkH0ISYeaQkhOVqghMDDb1gyvLe5Fbc7Ex5MiAsj8K/nZw2/bVhcE j5ODwcs7nW/6hr6JT1JI1h9EAr1eHlhnvj+gv2tvt0fXK416y63h6754HpFILUwiMmAq 1y5Q== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=KXgiujkLacBWZNlawIQ9gMWHkOD4PnnaTlrwStM4zgA=; b=CrlELLfhvY4uptWzHlzRDsHl1GSSCCDGTtF/yX9GMY8THJdcvytvuNWfSUPFVrPG54 ET4gyJdXIgV52twNFt4QWbYAVPNL+5NPH+mea0XQCLTinw7TlXx9vrX5D+a2b9zkFeWy 6+vGmvRbKozlPU9pFEHs3+SqLuU3Lgm35ccQaCoSdL89fCYCJhi4ga3rg4tn3lfsyHx0 xNThWuab25lopZpD6e0d3W3JMdoUvHNOZr/IVORNe2PK2dBwvc++SGO8wOlNKGTBdTNM 4tpiJIZ7r7OW9PWOwFFZ14vOOhJl/hA+gGGLzaf+xRQcO8/kUvGCzMnrS5xylUSQf7eq cNsQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AD7BkJJ7e7qQFJU6o/WK8kkjJ2benr4M8Bz0gyq7H1ee9sEFHE52mgGUsJ8Bjvpmh++7Fd1ST+sxrzF9yPGuTw== X-Received: by 10.107.129.89 with SMTP id c86mr3324269iod.102.1457015874881; Thu, 03 Mar 2016 06:37:54 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.36.25.68 with HTTP; Thu, 3 Mar 2016 06:37:35 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <3250041.QV1N1M7BAt@caracal> References: <4D74856F-2DE5-4D2D-B748-86FE1EA42ECC@gmail.com> <56D43C1B.8030802@lojban.org> <3250041.QV1N1M7BAt@caracal> From: guskant Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2016 14:37:35 +0000 Message-ID: To: llg-members@lojban.org X-Spam-Score: -2.0 (--) X-Spam_score: -2.0 X-Spam_score_int: -19 X-Spam_bar: -- Subject: Re: [Llg-members] Demand for depriving Gleki of his administratorship and of official-pretending accounts. X-BeenThere: llg-members@lojban.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: llg-members@lojban.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: llg-members-bounces@lojban.org 2016-02-27 9:35 GMT+00:00 Gleki Arxokuna : > > > I offered you that account once. What was your reply? > I declined, so what? I don't demand to give me the access to the official-pretending Twitter account. The contents of the letter are my demand of depriving you of the access. 2016-02-28 16:45 GMT+00:00 Craig Daniel : > Are there any policies against doing the things described? > > If not, I think it might be preferable to simply create some, and to direct > Gleki and others with such access to act in accordance with them in the > future. But there certainly *should* be such. > > I agree to your suggestion of creating some policies for administrators of official servers, as well as for official accounts on social media, if any. I still demand that the administrators for those should be elected in an aboveboard way, not by secret negotiations. I would definitely protest against Gleki being an administrator for anything, because he is too dishonest to be given the administratorship. For these months, I have been pointing out his abuse of administratorship on the servers and official-pretending accounts, and he has never sincerely responded. He has always turned away from the subjects and treated my remarks as if they were feedback to his personal contents. He has even deleted some pieces of evidence that I pointed out (for example, see the Evidence 3 in my open letter). I have no reliance on anyone who conceals a piece of evidence for the subject of discussion. I agree that Gleki is one of the most active Lojbanists, but I don't think that such a character is necessary for an administrator. I demand that administrators should have honesty above all. Fortunately, Ali volunteers to take over the responsibility: 2016-02-29 13:40 GMT+00:00 Ali Sajid Imami : > As far as a chief information officer is condemned, I volunteer to take over > all of that responsibility. > > I'll respond to the rest of it in a bit. > I support Ali's proposal. As for Robin's ownership of the servers, Durka42 has already suggested as follows, and Curtis and I (and also Pierre, maybe?) have agreed: 2015-12-22 19:55 GMT+00:00 Alex Burka : > - This has come up ad nauseum before, but most of our official online > presence runs from a server (two servers?) in Robin's basement, AFAIK. I am > not suggesting that he does a bad job of managing this. However, if Robin > wants to transition away from this role, it seems very reasonable for LLG to > pay for some (virtual) server infrastructure and hire someone to administer > it. I can help with this if we go that route. > If that should be realized in this year, I demand that the deprivation of Gleki's administratorship should occur simultaneously. Even if the change of servers should be postponed, I demand that re-election of the administrator should be realized as soon as possible, hoping that Gleki should be dismissed from the administrator. mi'e la guskant mu'o _______________________________________________ Llg-members mailing list Llg-members@lojban.org http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members