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Even if it was a joke, I think that we should still handle the case of
advertisement/categorization of certain derivatives of the language as
being "Lojban" (Lojbanic?) whereas others are excluded from such
designations. Under what conditions will a derivative be semi-officially
endorsed as "Lojban"? How Lojbanic will this be? To what extent will it be
endorsed and how officially?
We can pre=C3=ABmpt these issues. And they are important and should be disc=
ussed.

I think that the description in the page and all future material should say
that cultural neutrality and the other things are original /goals/ in and
for the design of Lojban, which each may have been satisfied to varying
degrees according to various judgments. At the least, it should be so on
the main page, since that is relatively easy to change. That way, it is
very clear and everybody (.a'o) is happy.

We should indeed lock the official or important pages and explicitly state
that any other page is unofficial and reflects, at most, the opinions of
the contributors.

Regarding role-wording: I would be interested in this idea being documented
(preferably in English in addition to Japanese and possibly Lojban)
somewhere easily accessible. Moreover, once this is done, it sounds like I
would support the creation of a new cmavo in experimental cmavo space (at
an appropriate depth) that behaves in the way desired. I am not
particularly opposed to the proposing of novel cmavo, I should again note.

I do not think that ZOhOI working with certain phonotactics and not others
tends to favor one culture over another unduely. I would not even
immediately make the claim that this is "beneficial" favoring. Or, if it
does, I am not really sure how that it fixable. And in any case, I would
not say that this particularly disrupts cultural neutrality. It is not the
fault of Lojban that certain languages work better with its functionality
than others. In any case, the other languages can be quoted via "zoi", so
it is not the case that they are totally unsupported. It may be
unfortunate, but it is not an intentional bias in Lojban that truly upsets
its achieving of its goals.

The conflict between the grammars concerning this selma'o is a more
important matter that deserves investigation.

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<p dir=3D"ltr">Even if it was a joke, I think that we should still handle t=
he case of advertisement/categorization of certain derivatives of the langu=
age as being &quot;Lojban&quot; (Lojbanic?) whereas others are excluded fro=
m such designations. Under what conditions will a derivative be semi-offici=
ally endorsed as &quot;Lojban&quot;? How Lojbanic will this be? To what ext=
ent will it be endorsed and how officially?<br>
We can pre=C3=ABmpt these issues. And they are important and should be disc=
ussed.</p>
<p dir=3D"ltr">I think that the description in the page and all future mate=
rial should say that cultural neutrality and the other things are original =
/goals/ in and for the design of Lojban, which each may have been satisfied=
 to varying degrees according to various judgments. At the least, it should=
 be so on the main page, since that is relatively easy to change. That way,=
 it is very clear and everybody (.a&#39;o) is happy.</p>
<p dir=3D"ltr">We should indeed lock the official or important pages and ex=
plicitly state that any other page is unofficial and reflects, at most, the=
 opinions of the contributors.</p>
<p dir=3D"ltr">Regarding role-wording: I would be interested in this idea b=
eing documented (preferably in English in addition to Japanese and possibly=
 Lojban) somewhere easily accessible. Moreover, once this is done, it sound=
s like I would support the creation of a new cmavo in experimental cmavo sp=
ace (at an appropriate depth) that behaves in the way desired. I am not par=
ticularly opposed to the proposing of novel cmavo, I should again note.</p>
<p dir=3D"ltr">I do not think that ZOhOI working with certain phonotactics =
and not others tends to favor one culture over another unduely. I would not=
 even immediately make the claim that this is &quot;beneficial&quot; favori=
ng. Or, if it does, I am not really sure how that it fixable. And in any ca=
se, I would not say that this particularly disrupts cultural neutrality. It=
 is not the fault of Lojban that certain languages work better with its fun=
ctionality than others. In any case, the other languages can be quoted via =
&quot;zoi&quot;, so it is not the case that they are totally unsupported. I=
t may be unfortunate, but it is not an intentional bias in Lojban that trul=
y upsets its achieving of its goals.</p>
<p dir=3D"ltr">The conflict between the grammars concerning this selma&#39;=
o is a more important matter that deserves investigation.</p>

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