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2016-03-19 19:58 GMT+03:00 John Cowan <cowan@mercury.ccil.org= >:
Curtis Franks scripsit:

> Is there any process by which a word may be considered and designated = as
> official? If not, I think that one should be developed.

I disagree entirely.=C2=A0 I think the time has passed for official = words,
official dictionaries, or official anything else.=C2=A0 The only things tha= t
need to be stabilized are the grammar and the list of selma'o.=C2=A0 Wh= en
new cmavo are added, it's trivial to change parsers to handle them:
the same is not the case for new grammar/selma'o.

Natural languages add words naturally.=C2=A0 It's time for Lojban to wo= rk
the same way.=C2=A0 New brivla will of course be much commoner than new
cmavo, but even the so-called "closed classes" in natural languag= es
occasionally get pried open and new words added.

<= /div>
It's important for teaching Lojban. Let's imagine someone= wants a natlang-like phrasebook on Lojban. They will need a word for "= ;permit" as opposed to "let". Core vocabulary lacks it. They= need bigger dictionaries but without explaining radians and trigonometric = functions.

On the other hand other people might ne= ed general descriptions of the universe with Higgs mechanism explained in p= ure Lojban. A dictionary for them will lack words for "Marocco".<= /div>

LLG/BPFK will have to deal with paedagogics anyway= .
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