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Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2016 10:40:57 +0000
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2016-03-21 6:34 GMT+00:00 Gleki Arxokuna <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com>:
>
> 2016-03-21 4:46 GMT+03:00 Karen Stein <comcaresvcs@gmail.com>:
>>
>> I believe that there should be an easily found document (detailed
>> spreadsheet, or whatever format) that is specifically designated as the most
>> common, most important to learn first vocabulary.
>
>
> Such thing doesn't exist. If Lojban is a "BASIC English"-like auxiliary
> language (or an analog of lower HSK levels in Chinese) then of course we can
> make such a list but few people seem to be interested in that since they
> already speak such languages and in fact the original gimste.txt file is an
> extension of such a list.
>

Cogas and his friends created such a lists according not only to the
frequency but also to their view of importance:
http://cogas.github.io/article/lojbo/pjcg_gimste/index.html

The items in the list are selected for people living in Japanese
culture, and may not suitable for people in the other part of the
world. As I said some times, you non-Japanese speakers completely
ignore any important movements around Lojban in Japanese-speakers'
communities.

Cogas planned also "learning marathon" of cmavo list according to
frequency list created by Slaimsan, though the words in the list are
not yet selected or "Japanized" because of too much work expected:
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/ponjo_lojbo_citno_girzu/dn_4CojNIhY

In any case, words selected for such a list should vary according to
user's background culture or user's purpose. I recently joined a
discussion in Japanese about cultural non-neutrality of gismu list.
For example, anything signified by {lanme} is not very familiar to
people in Japanese culture, and it should be in a less-important
group; on the other hand, anything signified by {bambu} is very
familiar to people in East or South Asian people, and it should be in
an important group, at a level that a short rafsi is desired, though
it is even not an official word. I don't think we should or can remove
the non-neutrality of gismu list, but ranking lists should vary, and
any of them should NOT be official because such a ranking is out of
language planning or LLG's work. I completely agree to John Cowan's
opinion:

2016-03-19 20:07 GMT+00:00 John Cowan <cowan@mercury.ccil.org>:
> Gleki Arxokuna scripsit:
>
>> LLG/BPFK will have to deal with paedagogics anyway.
>
> Well, someone hopefully will.  It doesn't have to be a formal Lojban
> organization.
>

I think moreover not only "doesn't have to be" but also "must not be"
from a point of view of cultural neutrality. Please don't discriminate
in official treatment between Gleki's learning material, Selpa'i's
private course, Cogas and the friends' learning material, Tijlan's
textbook, my audio course or any other's.

mi'e la guskant

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