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[100.33.10.93]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id e62sm9865801ywb.26.2016.03.25.22.52.43 for (version=TLS1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Fri, 25 Mar 2016 22:52:44 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 9.2 \(3112\)) From: Riley Martinez-Lynch In-Reply-To: <56F467BF.9060405@lojban.org> Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2016 01:52:43 -0400 Message-Id: <1A147E0D-5689-4E95-A566-2F46BF2E060C@gmail.com> References: <8BCCD0E2-E6D4-4687-9D89-D177E69E1259@gmail.com> <56DE1D83.8050901@lojban.org> <8EC7FC36-8C8F-43FD-AE6A-C704D1D9C2CE@gmail.com> <12678381.nPyR9sEY1K@caracal> <56E0AE11.8020708@lojban.org> <56E1F54E.3040501@lojban.org> <56EF1C47.6060900@lojban.org> <56F467BF.9060405@lojban.org> To: llg-members@lojban.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3112) X-Spam-Score: -2.0 (--) X-Spam_score: -2.0 X-Spam_score_int: -19 X-Spam_bar: -- Subject: Re: [Llg-members] 2015 Annual Meeting - Old Business X-BeenThere: llg-members@lojban.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: llg-members@lojban.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: llg-members-bounces@lojban.org I want to briefly respond to a few topics, but before I do, I=92m going to = confess an ulterior motive that informs my opinion and will influence my vo= tes: I=92d prefer to see the 2015 meeting conclude as soon as possible, wit= h anything that requires extended deliberation pushed to the 2016 meeting = =96 which could plausibly be convened in just a few months. On the subject of the parsers, I think it=92s valuable to seek clarificatio= n of BPFK=92s position, but I accept the chair=92s statement that the commi= ttee is still =93in the process=94 of formalizing its recommendations. I=92= d prefer to defer consideration until such a time as BPFK presents a recomm= endation. Absent such a recommendation, if there is a motion that =93no parser will b= e a standard of grammatical correctness,=94 I will vote {na=92i}: I don=92t= understand BPFK to have made that recommendation, and absent such a recomm= endation, I don=92t think it makes sense for LLG to take a position. I also cannot support Curtis=92 motion on similar grounds: I appreciate the= intention to ensure that BPFK is empowered to do the work that has been ch= arged to it, but I believe that it already has the relevant authority: BPFK= is explicitly charged with "improving and maintaining formal descriptions = of Lojban.=94 I understand that to include CLL, in so far as it is understo= od as a description of the language. In so far as there are copyright issues or logistical considerations of pub= lishing to be considered, we should discuss those here. But I strongly pref= er that we defer matters of description and definition to BPFK. If BPFK ask= s us to recognize a =93defining standard=94 as official, we should bring it= to a vote. If they don=92t, and we take up the matter independently, I=92d= understand that to undermine the authority delegated to the committee. Curtis is correct that =93BPFK cannot establish itself.=94 BPFK is a standi= ng committee of LLG, and derives its authority from that relationship. The = relationship is affirmed at each members meeting by the recognition, by LLG= membership, of the BPFK chair=92s authority to organize and preside over t= hat committee. The details, for those who may not have followed the last me= eting, where they were debated, are here: https://mw.lojban.org/papri/BPFK_Reauthorization Before the meeting is over, I want to say a few things about the idea of = =93sustaining=94 memberships, and about reconsidering some things about the= way in which we run the annual meeting, but I will save those for later so= as not to distract from the present discussion. I do not intend to raise a= motion in this meeting regarding either matter. =97Riley no=92u la mukti = _______________________________________________ Llg-members mailing list Llg-members@lojban.org http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members