Received: from localhost ([::1]:33257 helo=stodi.digitalkingdom.org) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.86) (envelope-from ) id 1aksZg-0003v8-Mm; Tue, 29 Mar 2016 05:16:44 -0700 Received: from mail-oi0-f50.google.com ([209.85.218.50]:33326) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4.86) (envelope-from ) id 1aksZZ-0003uA-RQ for llg-members@lojban.org; Tue, 29 Mar 2016 05:16:43 -0700 Received: by mail-oi0-f50.google.com with SMTP id d205so18591124oia.0 for ; Tue, 29 Mar 2016 05:16:37 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=llTb2v1tAepcUO3wIY0UPAm/Gq04ZjPbsRBMhK3rvVI=; b=N/W1kwWFkGL78kWhJjof1ykbK/IKV8DzGBJVDjr4YRGps8F6T24/nZwLUhBqlyYEOL gAPCkJylSqWUijXHN3iM37ROIrD6vvunZWV+od6nYLARcLay7YPl5OYOID+P5ZwnrEnc YE0t0wZkp9sVTv6q6Zj0RQutJr4InAx6yB6+cbOMdXByfStcnBZcCDD620ifofpRnhU2 27XKOTFB3aRAfC9HwWcQqYtveiZF1oYj9k5iFirNJ3IPJcQ1U/oAnl1Iwa3RCFXWWxYl 3rnHaUo1iT1pYJ0RwcsPOCLjKRyFcRd2wWLuZfNEgpYyrHOV/cd83WwanqngACbElKxZ aW0Q== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=llTb2v1tAepcUO3wIY0UPAm/Gq04ZjPbsRBMhK3rvVI=; b=XVadnuzrp9L5sbFqrD0pHD8IOiOz8LCq0+R5UXxM7JiVQmXdsebGmwuksG2Qck9D5C 3NNSLsRvJyvKsECuXpmKTY7g2A8zbsV1rVIAGW/uduM+Fht+F1LAMSsXTVV0Aht7h7Yl uUGYZpd/8aa4VklspYfoiYSuGeKSpVHZ59nI2sKCdrIFbceeOkwmpZVoPfjrLZepB4F9 Zv/lGm6Qyqjg13lobPx1FV0OrlQNcvUTs1hOFdQYDIHkboDqtJwqINFCr6F9wZqvCvyf fK7XvHwL8tSXO70AOPPBSgnSceI5lcmeqjZG6hplC8qcD0ClE1jykOTeokAzD3qFU8Fm Ih1g== X-Gm-Message-State: AD7BkJK0FbrvUo0Ib6RygD46JGpX2bK2CD9tmc6Ab/WbA5rUD/l4XbgLL5gYG3jzjPeRO/fRofSp1ypp2ND/+A== X-Received: by 10.157.47.3 with SMTP id h3mr907346otb.28.1459253791891; Tue, 29 Mar 2016 05:16:31 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <8BCCD0E2-E6D4-4687-9D89-D177E69E1259@gmail.com> <56DE1D83.8050901@lojban.org> <8EC7FC36-8C8F-43FD-AE6A-C704D1D9C2CE@gmail.com> <12678381.nPyR9sEY1K@caracal> <56E0AE11.8020708@lojban.org> <56E1F54E.3040501@lojban.org> <56EF1C47.6060900@lojban.org> <56F467BF.9060405@lojban.org> <4D1FB08E-DAAF-452D-936E-C089EE050B87@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: From: Craig Daniel Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2016 12:16:22 +0000 Message-ID: To: llg-members@lojban.org X-Spam-Score: -2.0 (--) X-Spam_score: -2.0 X-Spam_score_int: -19 X-Spam_bar: -- Subject: Re: [Llg-members] 2015 Annual Meeting - Old Business X-BeenThere: llg-members@lojban.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: llg-members@lojban.org Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============2447569368837637470==" Errors-To: llg-members-bounces@lojban.org --===============2447569368837637470== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=94eb2c043a5ee7276d052f2efffd --94eb2c043a5ee7276d052f2efffd Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Being of much the same mind, I to vote .ienai on this. On Tue, Mar 29, 2016, 3:01 AM Alex Burka wrote: > I echo what Karen said and vote the same way. > > On Tue, Mar 29, 2016 at 2:57 AM, Karen Stein > wrote: > >> My only real objections to this proposal are that after all the >> discussion I'm left wondering why it is necessary and how it will be of any >> use if the wording is so complex it took so much discussion to even >> understand it. >> >> I therefore vote against this notion unless it can be rewritten for >> clarity or an explanation be amended to it. >> >> karis >> >> On March 24, 2016 10:13:12 PM EDT, Curtis Franks < >> curtis.w.franks@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> > I think that it can be safely understood that the BYFY is charged with >>> maintaining CLL as the defining standard for the language as a whole and >>> its grammar. >>> >>> In order for clarity, I hereby move that: Whensoever a BPFK exists, >>> whensoever a CLL exists, and whensoever a Lojban language is to have any >>> defining standards in whole or in part, then the BPFK is charged with >>> maintaining the CLL as the defining standard(s) for the language or any of >>> its versions as a whole or in part, including but not limited to its >>> grammar. The BPFK is to have the authority necessary for the achieving of >>> these goals, as determined and prescribed solely by this body (the LLG). >>> This motion is not intended to make assertions as to the merits or >>> implementation of the existence or practice of any of these conditions; it >>> merely defines one of possibly many roles (for) which any organization >>> which is to act as a BPFK will be responsible in fulfilling and conducting >>> - as well as the implicit establishment of minimal powers associated with >>> its acting in that capacity. >>> >>> Furthermore, I move that: Under the same conditions, the BPFK is the >>> unique organization so charged and endowed with the authority pursuant to >>> these goals. >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Llg-members mailing list >>> Llg-members@lojban.org >>> http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Llg-members mailing list >> Llg-members@lojban.org >> http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members >> >> > _______________________________________________ > Llg-members mailing list > Llg-members@lojban.org > http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members > --94eb2c043a5ee7276d052f2efffd Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Being of much the same mind, I to vote .ienai on this.


On Tue, Mar 29, 2016, 3:01 = AM Alex Burka <durka42@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, Mar 29, 2016 at 2:57 AM, Karen Stein <= span dir=3D"ltr"><comcaresvcs@gmail.com> wrote:
My only real objections to this proposal are that after all th= e discussion I'm left wondering why it is necessary and how it will be = of any use if the wording is so complex it took so much discussion to even = understand it.

I therefore vote against this notion unless it can be rewritten for clarity= or an explanation be amended to it.

karis

On March 24, 2016 10:13:1= 2 PM EDT, Curtis Franks <curtis.w.franks@gmail.com> wrote:

> I think that it can be safely understood that the BYFY = is charged with maintaining CLL as the defining standard for the language a= s a whole and its grammar.

In order for clarity, I hereby move that: Whensoever a BPFK = exists, whensoever a CLL exists, and whensoever a Lojban language is to hav= e any defining standards in whole or in part, then the BPFK is charged with= maintaining the CLL as the defining standard(s) for the language or any of= its versions as a whole or in part, including but not limited to its gramm= ar. The BPFK is to have the authority necessary for the achieving of these = goals, as determined and prescribed solely by this body (the LLG). This mot= ion is not intended to make assertions as to the merits or implementation o= f the existence or practice of any of these conditions; it merely defines o= ne of possibly many roles (for) which any organization which is to act as a= BPFK will be responsible in fulfilling and conducting - as well as the imp= licit establishment of minimal powers associated with its acting in that ca= pacity.

Furthermore, I move that: Under the same conditions, the BPF= K is the unique organization so charged and endowed with the authority purs= uant to these goals.

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