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2016-04-17 19:28 GMT+00:00 Bob LeChevalier <lojbab@lojban.org>:
> On 4/16/2016 4:43 PM, guskant wrote:
>>
>> 1. making a response to the open letter
>> http://guskant.github.io/lojbo/open_letter/
>> ;
>>
>> 2. putting the official website under control of LLG and creating the
>> website policies;
>
>
> The website is ultimately under Robin Powell's control, since he owns the
> machine, and he chooses who he allows various privileges to.  I interpret
> this as asking us to establish an official website apart of Robin's, which
> would be under the control of the Board or its designee
>

I meant rather the contents of the official website. Robin is the
owner of the machine, but the web contents are currently under control
of Gleki.


>> 3. depriving Gleki of his administratorship on the official website
>> (as  written in the open letter, not only the mediawiki engine but
>> also any tools on Vrici server);
>
>
> I don't know what the mediawiki engine and vrici server are.  If either of
> these refers to something not on Robin's machine, there is probably nothing
> we can do.
>

The mediawiki engine is a set of programs for maintaining wiki pages
on the official website. The web directory for the official website is
a symbolic link of a subdirectory of Gleki's personal directory on
Vrici server that is run on Robin's machine. The contents of the
official website are under control of Gleki, not of Robin.

Gleki put in the same directory his tools personalized for the purpose
of teaching an unofficial language that he called "modern dialects of
Lojban". That is abuse of his administratorship on the official web
contents.


>> 4. asserting on the official website that the official body does not
>> have any account of Twitter, or reporting the abuse of
>> official-pretending account to Twitter.
>
>
> I've never used Twitter and have no idea what they consider "abuse", but I
> suspect that nothing you've reported would be something they would consider
> "abuse".  I've seen reports of all sorts of Twitter accounts which pretend
> to be someone other than who they really are, so this would probably also be
> something Twitter would not stop.  This would clearly have to be handled by
> someone who knows a lot more than I do.
>

Some of the texts he published through the official-pretending account
on Twitter are descriptions of his personal opinions. That is abuse of
the official-pretending account.


>> The motion was rejected,
>
>
> The motion has NOT been rejected, or even voted upon.  It merely hasn't been
> seconded.  The participation level in this meeting has been so low, that I
> wouldn't consider silence to be "rejection", but rather "disinterest" among
> the few paying attention.
>
> Whether the members take up the question of internet/web site policy or not,
> I suspect that the Board will do so during the next year (but I cannot say
> what priority this will be, since the new Board hasn't yet taken effect).
> Once we have a policy, and determine whether the site will remain on Robin's
> machine, it might be easier to address the issues you have raised.
>

That is good news. The motion is not related to Robin's ownership of
the machine that runs server for the official website, but I think LLG
should pay for a rental server without bothering Robin.


> I personally would like to see the issues addressed in a manner which is
> neutral as to the personal or political differences that you apparently have
> with gleki (which I for one do not really understand).  Both of you are
> contributing enormously to the language and the community in ways that you
> respectively prefer, and I would like those contributions to continue.
>

I would also appreciate Gleki's contribution to various activities if
it were performed without abusing the official things. I actually
don't care much about his and other's attack on my works, especially
on my personal parsers: it occurred only from difference of values
between them and me. The attackers on my parsers prefer easiness for
them in usage to neutrality or harmony with logic. I prefer
neutrality, harmony with logic and simplicity of the grammar itself to
easiness for people of a certain cultural background. I don't force my
preference to others, so their attack was a kind of excessive
self-defense for defending their "modern dialects of Lojban".


>> and LLG prefers therefore seeing my sarcastic
>> artworks on Gleki's dictatorship to normalizing the official website.
>
>
> I haven't seen any such artworks, and my own preference in humor tends to
> the sarcastic, so I might not be offended.
>

Some of my artworks in Japanese or French languages contain sarcasm. I
have not yet created sarcastic artworks in Lojban, but the title of my
recent movie in Lojban contains sarcasm about the official xorlo
interpretation that does not define the meaning of {lo no broda}.

Movie:
https://vimeo.com/141602354

Explanation about the meaning of {lo no broda}:
https://mw.lojban.org/papri/gadri:_an_unofficial_commentary_from_a_logical_point_of_view#Problems_on_inner_quantification


Gleki's dictatorship gave me the opportunity of creating Lojbanic
sarcastic artworks that will be more easy to understand.


> gleki of course has no dictatorship.  If anyone does, it is Robin, but I
> believe he has delegated power to multiple people, not just gleki.
>
> You have objected to some decisions he has made, but he is not the only
> person with the power to make decisions, and others have the power to
> override those decisions, but only if you bring the dispute directly to our
> attention
>

As I explained above, Robin is the owner of machine and the
administrator of Vrici server, but he gave the administratorship of
official web contents to Gleki: the web contents are identical to a
subdirectory of Gleki's personal directory. The current official web
contents are under control of Gleki, not of Robin. Robin had the whole
power before, but I have not observed that Robin abused his power on
the official website for unofficial things. On the other hand, Gleki
actually abused the power by modifying the tools on the official
website so that they are suitable to his personal lecture course of
unofficial language. The tools he put on the official website don't
include any information about the responsibility, and users should
believe that all the tools are supported by the official body.


> "Normalizing the website" might be rather too big a job to undertake in a
> member's meeting.  Setting up a committee and a few guidelines is probably
> the best we could do right now.  In the absence of a decision by the members
> or the Board, I can as President delegate this to the Secretary/Treasurer,
> who has responsibility for "communications" under the Bylaws.
>

Those are the least things that LLG must do right now for the purpose
of normalizing the website.

mi'e la guskant

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