Received: from localhost ([::1]:36208 helo=stodi.digitalkingdom.org) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.86) (envelope-from ) id 1aw7Xj-0007cR-Iu; Fri, 29 Apr 2016 05:29:11 -0700 Received: from mail-lf0-f54.google.com ([209.85.215.54]:35115) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4.86) (envelope-from ) id 1aw7Xc-0007bY-1y for llg-members@lojban.org; Fri, 29 Apr 2016 05:29:09 -0700 Received: by mail-lf0-f54.google.com with SMTP id c126so132430979lfb.2 for ; Fri, 29 Apr 2016 05:29:03 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to; bh=DZG/9+BxxNuxmdCg00wktcXU9PgGWWj4oAP7f/52tpI=; b=qdfdpnAJnh9u2xLEGJP9VDWFzAKToIvHD7lOyai0MYBV7ap1ASVahCyJg89hTJBtWN L8ZLcgqTcdYEV8by5FFLo3KlmkdnmdmpSJ8Dblm5SOWgiJ+NbafJ6Oap2Fx8HIxO5fb1 Mo+KahAQ6cWZ+Bu0peKia4PwcfXZQ9GMwCzcmI7x/d7KH4bM7XjeICh+4pAF6wFotaNF Nu0Wl3fN08cMRwz4AnMbwYN5XRuWnVUrDXZKQG7GfIOcNKDXMu10h4KgBfBVP8volQqD CcDxCQ7XiNvTXZB+Cm9N4G9zG/7azvXBJDi7rpXqP4VoIzYHnAau/kOXw2IN7senFGin BxKQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to; bh=DZG/9+BxxNuxmdCg00wktcXU9PgGWWj4oAP7f/52tpI=; b=Dl6GUvUtNAu3KczfpiAmm9145uC4Ur7y0H3uFIqoDxkqa9++JVIlCNjdC3Guy6GU9B BnooNKhSWpL+Q6r4IWfA04FBZ+tr3ZBGfJemh7Zzi6k0c2OME9KxWwUdQEiIBTA3VHdW sJjNhGQ/Gncs1Q2amelBSpJKxAWvWsjUVP5AfMNxy7Iy6gLwMwBwdgltET3vCDMp3hXO rvMtp9uoJIBhnWAqHGLetupGqkqF5ngfsPotjIh0UtXCpcfW/Y2FM4mmT89+ekJQItIF kOsLucYPA+ckzz5tfMBQZjKqDVMPVeGIjYPGUFh+ch8wt/e0EP+T6Ux/sG4MN714fjg0 3bnQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AOPr4FXfqublMfPnoejsN2qa8wQYq2QU4K22fmxDCBdw8qsDZ0mEZ1/2MDYzzYvvrqW6LGc2tFc0HKzAooGd5Q== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.112.139.71 with SMTP id qw7mr145930lbb.40.1461932936882; Fri, 29 Apr 2016 05:28:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.25.205.66 with HTTP; Fri, 29 Apr 2016 05:28:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.25.205.66 with HTTP; Fri, 29 Apr 2016 05:28:56 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <571EA53F.6040906@lojban.org> <2A767C1B-DA0E-49F5-931C-1F61D5ECDD86@gmail.com> <15C48E81-1622-494E-B351-F5EA656D38F7@gmail.com> <57229E88.2090703@lojban.org> Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2016 13:28:56 +0100 Message-ID: From: And Rosta To: llg-members@lojban.org X-Spam-Score: -2.0 (--) X-Spam_score: -2.0 X-Spam_score_int: -19 X-Spam_bar: -- Subject: Re: [Llg-members] Motion Re: lojbab health update X-BeenThere: llg-members@lojban.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: llg-members@lojban.org Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============6565664990432963056==" Errors-To: llg-members-bounces@lojban.org --===============6565664990432963056== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=089e0112c0de63728505319ec9ca --089e0112c0de63728505319ec9ca Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 In board discussion prior to the meeting I had proposed something more formal to honour Lojbab, like John Cowan's Archgrammarian title, but Gleki was a bit arsey about the details, and I didn't want what would be intended to be an honorificating gesture to be spoilt by petty disagreement over it at the members meeting, so I decided not to propose it; and for that same reason I'm wondering if I should have desisted from writing this message. But I do think that this year the LLG should acknowledge in some publicly visible and permanent form the vital role Lojbab has had in achieving his goal of bringing about a state of affairs in which Lojban Loglan is the language of an actual speech community. Personally I wish Lojbab's goal had been different (namely, more like mine), and I regret that his success in achieving his goal has made achieving the more valuable goal more difficult, but I still admire his 30 years of dogged determination (--many of them dogged by my not quite so dogged dissent), and I think that the LLG can truthfully acknowledge that without it the Lojban community would not exist today in any form that we would recognize. Of course, not only Lojbab has been so vital and necessary: John Cowan, Robin Lee Powell, and Xorxes also come to mind. But John has already been deservedly honoured, and no doubt similar will follow for Robin and Xorxes in due course. --And. On 29 Apr 2016 01:36, "Craig Daniel" wrote: > I'm not sure to what extent this is in order in a body run by Roberts, but > I'm active with groups that use (for religious reasons) an idiosyncratic > set of procedures wherein the "minute of appreciation" is common. > > I move that the LLG formally recognize its appreciation for Lojbab's > continued service even despite the rather intense obstacles that have stood > in the way. > > - mi'e kreig > > On Thu, Apr 28, 2016, 8:26 PM Curtis Franks > wrote: > >> That is great to learn! My best wishes to you. >> On Apr 28, 2016 19:36, "Bob LeChevalier, President and Founder - LLG" < >> lojbab@lojban.org> wrote: >> >>> Some moderately good news, significant enough to let you-all know. >>> >>> I just got my sleep apnea machine, which might greatly relieve the lack >>> of sufficient sleep I've had for many months, and in turn easing other >>> symptoms. The pump doesn't completely eliminate the problem, but greatly >>> reduces it. >>> >>> My other symptoms, which indicated a heart condition, have also greatly >>> improved, in part because I lost 10-15 lbs. Of course I could stand to >>> lose 250 more pounds in order to be truly healthy, but it is a start. >>> >>> lojbab >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Llg-members mailing list >>> Llg-members@lojban.org >>> http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Llg-members mailing list >> Llg-members@lojban.org >> http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members >> > > _______________________________________________ > Llg-members mailing list > Llg-members@lojban.org > http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members > > --089e0112c0de63728505319ec9ca Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

In board discussion prior to the meeting I had proposed some= thing more formal to honour Lojbab, like John Cowan's Archgrammarian ti= tle, but Gleki was a bit arsey about the details, and I didn't want wha= t would be intended to be an honorificating gesture to be spoilt by petty d= isagreement over it at the members meeting, so I decided not to propose it;= and for that same reason I'm wondering if I should have desisted from = writing this message.=C2=A0 But I do think that this year the LLG should ac= knowledge in some publicly visible and permanent form the vital role Lojbab= has had in achieving his goal of bringing about a state of affairs in whic= h Lojban Loglan is the language of an actual speech community.

Personally I wish Lojbab's goal had been different (name= ly, more like mine), and I regret that his success in achieving his goal ha= s made achieving the more valuable goal more difficult, but I still admire = his 30 years of dogged determination (--many of them dogged by my not quite= so dogged dissent), and I think that the LLG can truthfully acknowledge th= at without it the Lojban community would not exist today in any form that w= e would recognize.

Of course, not only Lojbab has been so vital and necessary: = John Cowan, Robin Lee Powell, and Xorxes also come to mind. But John has al= ready been deservedly honoured, and no doubt similar will follow for Robin = and Xorxes in due course.

--And.

On 29 Apr 2016 01:36, "Craig Daniel" &= lt;craigbdaniel@gmail.com>= wrote:
I'm not = sure to what extent this is in order in a body run by Roberts, but I'm = active with groups that use (for religious reasons) an idiosyncratic set of= procedures wherein the "minute of appreciation" is common.
<= br>
I move that the LLG formally recognize its appreciation for L= ojbab's continued service even despite the rather intense obstacles tha= t have stood in the way.

=C2=A0- mi'e kreig
On Thu, Apr 28, 2016, 8:26= PM Curtis Franks <curtis.w.franks@gmail.com> wrote:

That is great to learn! My best wishes to = you.

On Apr 28, 2016 19:36, "Bob LeChevalier, Pr= esident and Founder - LLG" <lojbab@lojban.org> wrote:
Some moderately good news, significant enough = to let you-all know.

I just got my sleep apnea machine, which might greatly relieve the lack of = sufficient sleep I've had for many months, and in turn easing other sym= ptoms.=C2=A0 The pump doesn't completely eliminate the problem, but gre= atly reduces it.

My other symptoms, which indicated a heart condition, have also greatly imp= roved, in part because I lost 10-15 lbs.=C2=A0 Of course I could stand to l= ose 250 more pounds in order to be truly healthy, but it is a start.

lojbab

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